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Old 01-24-2010, 08:51 PM
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During my recent travels to S.E. Asia- I happen to venture to Kuala Lumpor- which is the Capital city of Malaysia. one of the many surprises I saw ,were gaurds armed with "crowd control" pump shotguns.They were simply protecting a jewery store. My contact here informed me that Malaysias police department has a shoot first-ask questions later policy.It seems that when the police capture a criminal that is wanted for a serious offence...such as robbery....murder etc.. they are detained until a special unit arrives..at which time... the special unit officers can ..at their own descression- simply assasinate the suspect on the spot. Funny thing is...all the assasinated suspects seem to be carrying a .38 that has been used in many previuos robbery's! Thats what i call "rough justice"!!
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:00 PM
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and if they did not have that as a law in the citys no one could walk down the street

you cant look at what we do and point a finger at anyone for what they do

its a good call for them knowing how crazy some in that part of the world act it keeps the pop in check so to speak - jz
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:12 PM
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Harsh, sounds like Newark except they probably all carry 9mm throw away guns.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:16 PM
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Harsh, sounds like Newark except they probably all carry 9mm throw away guns.
anyone who has experience in street killing will tell you a 38 leaves no Bullet DNA behind - no one but morons uses ejecting weapons
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:18 PM
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anyone who has experience in street killing will tell you a 38 leaves no Bullet DNA behind - no one but morons uses ejecting weapons
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:53 AM
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anyone who has experience in street killing will tell you a 38 leaves no Bullet DNA behind - no one but morons uses ejecting weapons
From what I understand, not entirely true. Each barrel leaves a mark on the bullet like a finger print. So bullets can be matched to the gun that fired it, to an extent. That is if the bullet is intact, or to some degree. Also, if the barrel hasn't been cleaned, since firing that bullet.
But, I do agree that a spent shell does leave additional evidence. Even the mark of the firing pin can be distinctive.
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Old 01-25-2010, 12:41 PM
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During my recent travels to S.E. Asia- I happen to venture to Kuala Lumpor- which is the Capital city of Malaysia. one of the many surprises I saw ,were gaurds armed with "crowd control" pump shotguns.They were simply protecting a jewery store. My contact here informed me that Malaysias police department has a shoot first-ask questions later policy.It seems that when the police capture a criminal that is wanted for a serious offence...such as robbery....murder etc.. they are detained until a special unit arrives..at which time... the special unit officers can ..at their own descression- simply assasinate the suspect on the spot. Funny thing is...all the assasinated suspects seem to be carrying a .38 that has been used in many previuos robbery's! Thats what i call "rough justice"!!
AFAIK, you cannot do a summary execution, even in Malaysia. OTOH, "OM ALLAH!!! HE grabbed Joe's gun and I had to shoot him.".

Don't forget, when you are pulled over and they ask to see your fingers it is a bribe demand in Malaysia. Each finger represents $10
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Old 01-25-2010, 12:44 PM
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anyone who has experience in street killing will tell you a 38 leaves no Bullet DNA behind - no one but morons uses ejecting weapons
How do you figure? Any revolver does not leave a shell casing behind unless you toss it away. Shell casings can be matched to a gun if they are recovered. That is why the new guns these days come with a spent cartridge in case your local police agency wants it. Which makes me question how it can be a new gun since it has been fired. After all, a virgin who tries sex once is no longer a virgin but that is another story.

Any bullet, if recovered and RELATIVELY intact should have barrel markings on it. So, if it is in RELATIVELY good condition, you can match it to another slug that has been fired.
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From what I understand, not entirely true. Each barrel leaves a mark on the bullet like a finger print. So bullets can be matched to the gun that fired it, to an extent. That is if the bullet is intact, or to some degree. Also, if the barrel hasn't been cleaned, since firing that bullet.
But, I do agree that a spent shell does leave additional evidence. Even the mark of the firing pin can be distinctive.
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to elaborate on this subject is like being the one who --

BUT i have many times seen what has been done to a revolver with a hand file before and after so not even the makes twist can be ID - its an underworld business that one wants to know little about if it can be helped

but the real guys never use anything but a revolver - just my observation on the porch - jz
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to elaborate on this subject is like being the one who --

BUT i have many times seen what has been done to a revolver with a hand file before and after so not even the makes twist can be ID - its an underworld business that one wants to know little about if it can be helped

but the real guys never use anything but a revolver - just my observation on the porch - jz



Yah, as was said above:

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Yah, as was said above:

Thanks for the tip, Guido !!!
It's even simpler. Most mob hits are done at close range, generally behind the ear. The weapon of choice is a "zip gun", usually a revolver or single shot pistol chambered to hold a .22 LR cartridge.

On account of the close quarters action many zip guns are smoothbored which can be done with the proper cutting broach, boring bar or long industrial drill bit. Usually 2 cylindrical Briggs & Stratton lawnmower mufflers are used, but some creative types favor PVC pipe, lined with steel wool soaked in Lithium grease to absorb the sound. Naturally these "one use" weapons are destroyed after performing their tasks.

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to elaborate on this subject is like being the one who --

BUT i have many times seen what has been done to a revolver with a hand file before and after so not even the makes twist can be ID - its an underworld business that one wants to know little about if it can be helped

but the real guys never use anything but a revolver - just my observation on the porch - jz
Its been a while since I've worked on guns. One problem with a revolver is if it is to be silenced. The cylinder gap releases hot gases, and that somewhat nullifies a silences use. I'm not an expert in that or really any gun area. I remeber seeing a BSA .22 auto rifle. It ejected the shells into the reciever. It also had threads on the barrel. The guy who was working on its, said it was for poaching. He'd been around the world, and I'd say would qualify as an expert in guns.
I've also heard the Ruger MK II .22 auto pistol was used for a while for assination. Its high rate of fire, point blank into the skull.
Also, you have to get from the crime scene. So, there might not be time to take a file to the barrel. Even then, the gun is ruined. So might as well, pitch the gun or rebarrel it.
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:25 PM
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It's even simpler. Most mob hits are done at close range, generally behind the ear. The weapon of choice is a "zip gun", usually a revolver or single shot pistol chambered to hold a .22 LR cartridge.

On account of the close quarters action many zip guns are smoothbored which can be done with the proper cutting broach, boring bar or long industrial drill bit. Usually 2 cylindrical Briggs & Stratton lawnmower mufflers are used, but some creative types favor PVC pipe, lined with steel wool soaked in Lithium grease to absorb the sound. Naturally these "one use" weapons are destroyed after performing their tasks.

Just thought you'd like to know
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well the term going for a ride comes to mind and sound is usually not an issue in the getto as everyone who lives in one still thinks cars backfire but i dont know as i said - jz
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