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Old 01-25-2010, 04:54 PM
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I also don't think we need an amendment just to undo a bad ruling, otherwise it would have taken an amendment to end segregation, where Plessy was overturned by Brown, just for one example. The real question here for Republicans is why they support this ruling and this concept after decades of braying at the Democrats about "sovereignty" when this so clearly undermines it. This ruling will allow literally billions of foreign dollars to flow into our campaigns. How are we a free country any more when Saudi Arabia can walk in and tell a congressman, "if you vote for this bill, we're going to give your opponent a 500 million dollar 'campaign contribution' "? How exactly ?
A constitutional amendment is so difficult to get passed into law that it is virtually another impassible barrier to changing anything in the status quo. Numerous among the upper echelons of power and wealth are happy enough to keep all matters pretty much as they are.

Republicans have discovered that they can win by obstructing any change. But this change, they like. The long reach of George W. Bush, family, and cohorts.

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Old 01-25-2010, 04:59 PM
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It's a fair question. Corporate boards are loaded with foreign nationals, who can now direct millions to candidates of their choice, circumventing the existing law against foreigners participating in US elections. I am asking you, where do you stand on that? Perhaps you feel it is "trolling" because it is an embarrassing question for you to have to answer. Why has the Supreme Court decided to go beyond the parameters of the case and grant "personhood" to corporations, and to grant an unlimited right to foreign nationals to pass out the loot in US campaigns? How is this Constitutional, what article in the COTUS grants that right to foreigners in any way?
If the Corporations are now "deemed" persons under the First Amendment, with the rights attendant thereto, please then explain why the same rights should not attach to them with regard to the Second Amendment also.
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:03 PM
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I also don't think we need an amendment just to undo a bad ruling, otherwise it would have taken an amendment to end segregation, where Plessy was overturned by Brown, just for one example. The real question here for Republicans is why they support this ruling and this concept after decades of braying at the Democrats about "sovereignty" when this so clearly undermines it. This ruling will allow literally billions of foreign dollars to flow into our campaigns. How are we a free country any more when Saudi Arabia can walk in and tell a congressman, "if you vote for this bill, we're going to give your opponent a 500 million dollar 'campaign contribution' "? How exactly ?

"I swear to god, it's like I live in a trailer of common sense, and stare out the window at a tornado of stupidity." >'='<
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If the Corporations are now "deemed" persons under the First Amendment, with the rights attendant thereto, please then explain why the same rights should not attach to them with regard to the Second Amendment also.
Hey, it's not even equal rights. In a prior decision, the same justices ruled that corporations and the local governments can work together to condemn your property for use by the corporations. I don't have that right. Do you?
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:18 PM
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Hey, it's not even equal rights. In a prior decision, the same justices ruled that corporations and the local governments can work together to condemn your property for use by the corporations. I don't have that right. Do you?
Drat. I want the deed to the Empire State Building. And Disney World.

Also the Chrysler factory in Detroit, so I can corner the market on that special plastic wood that adorns all the Chrysler Town and Country mini vans and PT Cruisers.

The *only* place in the ENTIRE WORLD that those trees grow, that have that wood, is right there outside the front gates of that Chrysler factory.
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So, you are OK that foreign corporations can now participate in US elections ?
So, lets ask the very simple question. Were they participating in US elections prior to the ruling or not? If so, what is the difference. If not, you might have a point.
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"I swear to god, it's like I live in a trailer of common sense, and stare out the window at a tornado of stupidity." >'='<
I read that on Benzworld.com last night!!!
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So, lets ask the very simple question. Were they participating in US elections prior to the ruling or not? If so, what is the difference. If not, you might have a point.
They were. The M/F Act just stopped them from playing in the mud 30-60 days before the oppropriate election.

Nothing's changed, it just allows more money for the radio/tv/pulp industries.

I'm buying stock in "FOAM" - the stuff they make those squishy-ear-plug thingies with.

I think their stock will be going up.
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Joe Conason is an opinion columnist who is widely published, I'm sure that's a tough concept.
If by widely published you mean within the confines of The New York Observer/Salon.com screed!

Joe Conason (born 1954) is an American journalist, author and political commentator. He writes a column for the weekly New York Observer newspaper, for Salon.com and has written a number of books, including Big Lies (2003), which addresses what he says are myths spread about liberals by conservatives.

[edit] Life and career
Conason was born in New York City. He graduated from White Plains High School, in White Plains, New York. In 1971, as a senior, he edited an underground newspaper distributed throughout Westchester County called the Paper Workshop. After attending community college for a year, Conason received a B.A. in history from Brandeis University in 1975. He then worked at two Boston-based newspapers, East Boston Community News and The Real Paper.[citation needed]

From 1978 to 1990, he worked as a columnist and staff writer at The Village Voice.

In The Free Voice of Labor, a 1980 documentary movie about the Yiddish anarchist newspaper Freie Arbeiter Stimme (or Free voice of labor), a young Joe was interviewed. His grandfather Joseph Cohen served as the paper's editor for a number of years and Conason may have been an intern for them.

From 1990 to 1992, Conason was "editor-at-large" for Details magazine. In 1992, he became a columnist for the New York Observer, a position he still holds.

He served as investigative editor for The American Prospect.[citation needed]

In 1992 Conason wrote an article for Spy magazine naming Jennifer Fitzgerald and Jane Morgan as women who allegedly were having affairs with George H. W. Bush, using Linda Tripp as a source.[citation needed]

Conason was a regular guest and a guest host on The Al Franken Show, where he had the distinction of being the only guest with two theme songs. He made an appearances every Friday as a commentator, as well as co-judging with Al their weekly quiz show Wait, wait, don't lie to me.

Conason coined the term "corporate-jet conservative" as a counter to "limousine liberal" (a term used to describe wealthy, insulated supporters of left-wing causes).[citation needed]

In 2000, he co-authored the book The Hunting of the President: The 10 Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton with Gene Lyons; the book was turned into a documentary in 2004, which Conason co-produced. The Raw Deal, his book on the Bush Administration's efforts to "end Social Security as we know it," appeared in 2005. In 2007, Conason published It Can Happen Here: Authoritarian Peril in the Age of Bush (Thomas Dunne Books).[citation needed]

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He married Elizabeth Wagley, in 2002. They have two children, boy and girl twins, born in 2007.[citation

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If the Corporations are now "deemed" persons under the First Amendment, with the rights attendant thereto, please then explain why the same rights should not attach to them with regard to the Second Amendment also.
They already enjoy those rights including the right to posess fully automatic weapons and destructive devices.
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Once again, the question is asked, and we get some moronic screed against the author instead of addressing the question at hand. Instead of doing so, could you please address the topic of the post, and tell us why you Republicans no longer believe in US sovereignty ?
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They were. The M/F Act just stopped them from playing in the mud 30-60 days before the oppropriate election.

Nothing's changed, it just allows more money for the radio/tv/pulp industries.

I'm buying stock in "FOAM" - the stuff they make those squishy-ear-plug thingies with.

I think their stock will be going up.
IIRC, all it did was to say that you cannot make donations 30 days prior to the election. So, instead of me giving you $200K now and none during the "no go" time (2 weeks ago), I now can give you $100K now and $100K a week before. I don't see the difference, do you?
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:35 PM
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could you please address the topic of the post, and tell us why you Republicans no longer believe in US sovereignty ?
Please tell us if you have stopped beating your spouse and kids. Same sort of question, isn't it? Why don't you tell us how the change affects much in the real world and maybe we can see what you are talking about.
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I read that on Benzworld.com last night!!!
It's my signature line over there!!!
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Please tell us if you have stopped beating your spouse and kids. Same sort of question, isn't it? Why don't you tell us how the change affects much in the real world and maybe we can see what you are talking about.
How is it the same sort of question ? You either support it, or you do not, which one is it? The silence of the OT right on this question is incredible.

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