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Old 01-26-2010, 07:19 PM
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Toyota: Oh What a Feeling It is Now

Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models Affected by Recall

They are the 2009 through 2010 RAV4, 2009 through 2010 Corolla, 2009 through 2010 Matrix, 2005 through 2010 Avalon, some 2007 through 2010 Camry models, 2010 Highlander, 2007 through 2010 Tundra and the 2008 through 2010 Sequoia.

In addition to the cost of the recall repairs, the damage to Toyota's reputation and image may cost even more in a competative new car sales market.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:29 PM
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In addition to the cost of the recall repairs, the damage to Toyota's reputation and image may cost even more in a competative new car sales market.

Not only that, but didn't Toyota try to cover up the problem by saying the floormats were causing the problems?
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:29 PM
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they got too big too fast. they got some major kinks to work out.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:33 PM
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I'm in the auto parts business, and I've been watching Toyos reliability slowly decline. Their Camry and Corolla are still rock-solid, but they're other cars (FJ, RAV4, Matrix) and trucks (Sequoia and Tundra) are definitely having some problems; usually sensors and the like. It used to be that a Toya was a guarantee non-issue car, and now that's no longer. At the same time, GM's trucks and Ford's cars and trucks (especially their trucks) have improved significantly.

Save me the "my uncle has a ---- and it's a POS" anecdotal evidence; as a guy who's been in the biz for the past nine years, it's clear to me that Toyos are getting worse and the Americans are getting better, and their reaching a point where the quality is about the same.

And, yes, Toyotas general reaction to recall/safety issues is the Clinton defense - deny, deny, deny, then lightly admit, then fully admit and half-ass provide a fix.
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:08 PM
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I was in the auto repair business for over 20 years - service advisor, manager, parts, technician.. I've done & seen it all. I've seen models improve, I've seen models decline. I know the quirks and common issues to many a vehicle. Not to defend Toyota in any way, shape or form but big business acts for it's own self preservation.. Ford just issued yet it's 8th recall for cruise control switches in TEN years.. Still sells a number of vehicles with this same C/C switch and has yet to issue recalls on other models that use/used that same C/C switch.. People have been killed, homes have burned to the ground.. I myself witnessed my neighbors Expedition burn to the ground in our parking lot 18 months ago. It caught fire over an hour after being parked.

Toyota should do themselves a favor and hire some Ford PR/Marketing people..
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At last, a Japanese competitor to Audi...
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:28 PM
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I figured the floormat thing was BS, I couldn't see how it could stick the pedal in my moms Rav4. OTOH I have had a pedal jam on me twice because of a floormat, both times with in an Olds Cutless.

All cars have problems, Toyota's are still pretty good.
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My uncle had the throttle in his Cavalier jam on his floor mat. Once again MB got it right, there's really no way for the floor mat to jam a mercedes pedal. Superior!
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At last, a Japanese competitor to Audi...

I'm not sure about that. I personally believe that Audi sends its engineers to a special school where they learn to make the parts that never break easy to get to (are there any of them?) and make all the parts that break all the time an absolute PITA, mostly by forcing you to remove all the parts that don't break, breaking them in the process.

I think VW and it's affiliates are the prime examples of 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag.
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I figured the floormat thing was BS, I couldn't see how it could stick the pedal in my moms Rav4. OTOH I have had a pedal jam on me twice because of a floormat, both times with in an Olds Cutless.

All cars have problems, Toyota's are still pretty good.
In all my years in service, I can't even begin to count how many cars I've gotten into with the floor mat jammed damn near up into the fuse box it's so far up under the pedals.. I don't believe or disbelieve this. Not til all the facts are in.. Remember that everyone was sure that their Audi ran away on it's own.. 60 Minutes showed that with rigging the cruise control, upping the trans line pressure to 12 billion psi and if elephants were stampeding during a solar eclipse, they could duplicate it. I've seen too many people do too many a stupid thing with their cars, and BLAME the car, to rush to judgment. I owned one car that the pedal stuck to the floor. My "Fake GTO" - 72 Lemans Sport with a slightly warmed over 400 Trans Am motor. A bad motor mount caused the linkage to bind during a smokey burn out.. I was able to bring it under control and that engine made a touch more power than an Avalon..
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I'm not sure about that. I personally believe that Audi sends its engineers to a special school where they learn to make the parts that never break easy to get to (are there any of them?) and make all the parts that break all the time an absolute PITA, mostly by forcing you to remove all the parts that don't break, breaking them in the process.

I think VW and it's affiliates are the prime examples of 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag.
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Anyone have any idea as to what may be causing the unintended acceleration?
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Anyone have any idea as to what may be causing the unintended acceleration?
A glitch in the computer that controls the electronic throttle seems to be the culprit.
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I'm not sure about that. I personally believe that Audi sends its engineers to a special school where they learn to make the parts that never break easy to get to (are there any of them?) and make all the parts that break all the time an absolute PITA, mostly by forcing you to remove all the parts that don't break, breaking them in the process.

I think VW and it's affiliates are the prime examples of 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag.

Yep, sounds like when I helped my dad replace the water pump on our VW...
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