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Old 01-27-2010, 03:05 PM
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Red Herring.
AFAIK, the ad does not promote taking away anyone's rights. It simply tells the other side of the story.
Not a red herring at all. From what I've seen about the content of the ad, Tebo's mother's is praised for her choice. Focus on the Family is sponsoring the ad. Are you telling me that Focus on the Family is in favor of abortion rights? That's nonsense. The ad is a volley in the culture wars.

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Not a red herring at all. From what I've seen about the content of the ad, Tebo's mother's is praised for her choice. Focus on the Family is sponsoring the ad. Are you telling me that Focus on the Family is in favor of abortion rights? That's nonsense. The ad is a volley in the culture wars.
Yes, FOF is in favor of live births.

I have not seen the ad. Does it call for outlawing abortion, or does it just speak out on the other side?

AFAIK, the abortion issue has been decided; it is the law of the land. Do you think this ad will reverse that?
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Yes, FOF is in favor of live births.
Are they also in favor of women having abortion rights? If not then I think you have your answer of what the purpose of the ad is.
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r does it just speak out on the other side?

AFAIK, the abortion issue has been decided; it is the law of the land. Do you think this ad will reverse that?
The other side of what?? Do you think abortion rights advocates want women to be forced to get abortions? Are abortion rights advocates not in favor of individual women making decision to carry a fetus to term or not?

Don't know if this ad will reverse it or not. Focus on the Family would certainly be happy if it did and I believe is in favor of reversing it. One wing of the anti-abortion rights movement has a strategy of winning a culture war over a long period of time because they think the immediate prospects for overturning Roe v Wade are slim.
That's why I think it's important to point out that their praise of Ms. Tebow presumes the freedom to choose for or against an abortion.
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I support Tim Tivo's position. My own mother suggested that my wife abort our first son, he went on to fight for our country in the afghan war. My SON received many medals including two purple hearts for saving several people.
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Supporting one woman's decision does not have to connote condemning another woman's.
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I find the pro-life position inherently fascist, I could care less what the little fascist has to say.
Jolly, I agree with you on the rabidness of pro-lifers.

However, do you know the true definition of a fascist? I don't think you have the correct term here.

I would say that radical pro-lifers are more or less extremists who wish to impose their views on others. That's just simply a totalitarian ideal here.

I don't remember much from my logical fallacy days, but I believe this is a strawman argument. The fact that he became a major athlete is irrelevant to whether the abortion is moral or not.

And finally freedom of speech is irrelevant here. CBS isn't owned by the government and can talk air whatever they want. Quite frankly I don't care for football and I won't be watching the super bowl. It is however in CBS's best interest to appear to be a neutral party.
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From what I have read the doctors recommended she have an abortion because they felt her life may be placed in jeopardy due to medication she had taken. The fact that Tim became a good football player is irrelevant. Besides, it's not as if he became a scientist, teacher, aid worker or someone who actually contributes to society. He is a athlete, big deal. But again it's irralevant. He could have just as easily become a burden on society. Too guilt a mother into having a child by way of saying you are killing the next Albert Einstein is irresponsible. The mother should be given all the options
Here's an option she's not being given - KILL YOURSELF.

That's an option, right?

Instead of going through life wondering if you made the right or wrong decesion, just pull the trigger on yourself.

Therefore, all self-doubt is removed.

NEXT!
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I support Tim Tivo's position. My own mother suggested that my wife abort our first son, he went on to fight for our country in the afghan war. My SON received many medals including two purple hearts for saving several people.
Brings to mind the movie with Jimmy Stewart, "A Wonderful Life" - and my congratulations to your son, and your family for having him.

I'm sure those he saved are thanking your family every night.
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Supporting one woman's decision does not have to connote condemning another woman's.
Did I say otherwise?
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Here's an option she's not being given - KILL YOURSELF.

That's an option, right?

Instead of going through life wondering if you made the right or wrong decesion, just pull the trigger on yourself.

Therefore, all self-doubt is removed.

NEXT!
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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CBS turns down gay s'bowl add

It had to happen.
http://www.newser.com/story/79612/cbs-kos-gay-super-bowl-ad.html
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Super Bowl, really?

Isn't football season over yet?

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