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Old 01-28-2010, 10:16 PM
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uh, you don't seem to be disputing the national review's roots, which, i might point out, were brought to light by mr. george will (that noted leftist) back in the seventies. need we even discuss the national review's eternal devotion to the wealthy, powerful and repressive?

anyway, it's important that others know the sources you choose.
I've already posted a couple hours ago at 3:14 EST, regarding what appears to be your not surprising lack of support for your contention, in a related thread where you've also made the claim as “fact”. You should feel free to provide any proof of your "fact" and any relevance you feel that may have to the substantive position outlined in the original posting I offered earlier today. Unless of course you have no substantive dispute and only intend to continue engaging your own “attack of the messenger”, which you earlier in this thread adopted as your battle cry “de jour”!

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With regard to the first, you obviously have some evidence of the "fact" as you present it, don't you?

With regard to the second, I can still hope you're correct can't I?
I make no bones about both my contempt for the impoverished, weak and submissive and admiration for the wealthy, powerful, and repressive; as such I have always been and will continue to be comforted by National Review’s eternal devotions to all manners of the human condition.

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Old 01-28-2010, 10:16 PM
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The presence of foreign money only buys them advertising. It does not buy votes.
Maybe its how we can balance our debt to the Chinese---they buy billions/ trillions worth of advertising; we still elect people we want, and the debt is solved.

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Guess you don't believe in the First Amendment. Any others you find annoying as well?

And by the way, I guarantee you Justice Alito knows a hell of a lot more about that case than Obama ever will.

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Billy bob is trying to get us all to think that a flood of foreign money is good for our political system. Foreign corporations are completely free to buy majority stock positions in US companies, and they can form US corporations at will. Billy wants us all to think they can't, because he's having a hard time claiming he is in favor of US sovereignty while at the same time, against it. For billy, it's a mixed up world out there. The Right Wing is taking so many hits on this, National Review is trotting out this weak argument and try to make this pig fly. Keep flapping, billy. The president's statement is not false. Ask any accountant, there are a zillion ways to pull it off, and again, I post this link:

http://non-us.com/US-company-for-foreing-citizens.htm

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Old 01-29-2010, 01:31 AM
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I make no bones about both my contempt for the impoverished, weak and submissive and admiration for the wealthy, powerful, and repressive
Wow.

That suggests you would admire, such people,as Albert Speer, Fritz Thyssen, and Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, bankers and industrialists of note from 1933 - 1945, ( associated with the Reichsbank, Krupp, IG Farben in the Third Reich times ).
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Guess you don't believe in the First Amendment. Any others you find annoying as well?

And by the way, I guarantee you Justice Alito knows a hell of a lot more about that case than Obama ever will.
justice alito is a tool.

he's a devout roman catholic fascist. shall we ignore the fact that this "informs" all his rulings. and he's an avowed "federalist", which is pretty odd for someone who's supposed to have respect - as he testified - for stare deciisis. (then again, "true believers" - be it to a poltical and/or religous cult - often use the "ends justify the means" argument)

(and no, its not political - again, let me point out, justice stevens was appointed by gerald ford. and earl warren was an avowed republican appointed by dwight eisenhower. however, both these justices have/had brilliant legal minds, and respect for those that preceded them.)
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:09 AM
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Guess you don't believe in the First Amendment.
Do *YOU* believe it should be elevated to the same status for corporate entities, as it is for living breathing human beings, for corporations to use -- said corporations, that would not hesitate to abuse it for bribery and influence peddling, (as before but now more easily?)

*THAT* is the precise question that was before the court.


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Any others you find annoying as well?
Hmmm.

Would it trouble you have the second amendment applied to corporate entities to the exact same degree as it does to citizens?


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And by the way, I guarantee you Justice Alito knows a hell of a lot more about that case than Obama ever will.
Maybe. (Though that statement reeks of none too subtle right wing hatred of Obama..)

Despite your assertion, Alito ignored 100 years of good legal precedent, logic, and plain common sense, in ruling as he did.
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Attempting to buy the votes at the fringes, if that's your analogy, is laughable. The financial horsepower is aimed at the fat juicy middle. Those are the votes that count, the votes that a candidate covets, right?
You are probably correct.
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Rupert Murdoch obtained American citizenship back in the 80's. That allowed him to purchase US media outlets.
Absolutely. And the law makes him just as American as anyone born here. BUT, law, history and logic seldom defeat xenophobia. That is unless the foreign name(s) involved are; John Huang, Moctar and James Riady, Charlie "Yah Lin" Trie, Ng Lapseng, Suen Yan Kwong, Pauline Kanchanalak and Schwartz Gyoergy - AKA George Soros.
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I make no bones about both my contempt for the impoverished, weak and submissive and admiration for the wealthy, powerful, and repressive; as such I have always been and will continue to be comforted by National Review’s eternal devotions to all manners of the human condition.
That certainly sums you up.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:39 AM
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Absolutely. And the law makes him just as American as anyone born here. BUT, law, history and logic seldom defeat xenophobia. That is unless the foreign name(s) involved are; John Huang, Moctar and James Riady, Charlie "Yah Lin" Trie, Ng Lapseng, Suen Yan Kwong, Pauline Kanchanalak and Schwartz Gyoergy - AKA George Soros.
Ah, I see, not wanting foreigners to participate in US elections is "xenophobia" now? Man, they sure are rolling you guys good this time. Head like a hole.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:41 AM
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Guess you don't believe in the First Amendment. Any others you find annoying as well?

And by the way, I guarantee you Justice Alito knows a hell of a lot more about that case than Obama ever will.
Alito is a partisan hack, he always has been, always will be, and if anyone believes in the First Amendment, I damn well guarantee you it is me.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:52 AM
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justice alito is a tool.

he's a devout roman catholic fascist. shall we ignore the fact that this "informs" all his rulings. and he's an avowed "federalist", which is pretty odd for someone who's supposed to have respect - as he testified - for stare deciisis. (then again, "true believers" - be it to a poltical and/or religous cult - often use the "ends justify the means" argument)

(and no, its not political - again, let me point out, justice stevens was appointed by gerald ford. and earl warren was an avowed republican appointed by dwight eisenhower. however, both these justices have/had brilliant legal minds, and respect for those that preceded them.)
sooo, is this to say that ALL Roman Catholics are fascist? Painting with a very wide, flawed brush if you do....
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not commenting one way or another on influence peddling, evil foriegners, etc, but the word "person" has meant, in the Code of Federal Regulations, which are codified by law, a person, or group of persons, inc those legally organized by incorporation....
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:22 AM
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sooo, is this to say that ALL Roman Catholics are fascist? Painting with a very wide, flawed brush if you do....
cult membership tends to encourage fascist beliefs in the cult's propaganda.

or, who can forget the crusades? or the spanish inquisition? father coughlin?
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:26 AM
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cult membership tends to encourage fascist beliefs in the cult's propaganda.

or, who can forget the crusades? or the spanish inquisition? father coughlin?
well, then I guess, based on what Lenin, Mao and Stalin did, that all atheists are mass murderers....

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