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RichC · #61 02-11-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Well, when your position is that every weather event is proof of MMGW, what do expect? You assume your answer is the only correct one, and accept nothing as contrary proof.

That is no where near what I have said.

I do not think that every weather event is proof of global climate change.

But there are some events that do help to prove it.

And it seems the current severe weather will be part of that proof.

You are the one making the assumptions here.
That there is no change in weather conditions that shows proof of global climate change.

Do you have proof that the current severe weather was not worsened by man made events ????

daveuz · #62 02-11-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

And that has been a good thing.
The Climate change people were wrong on the sea level rise, on the glacier melting, on the polar melting.
Its time to go back, and look at the REAL data with a truly scientific eye and see where the data lead. Science is not a democratic thing, where a "preponderence of evidence" has any real meaning. Once you have the correct theory, and the correct models, everything will make sense. You won't have to destroy evidence that conflicts with your pet theory.

How old is the earth? How long has man been on the earth?

Chas H · #63 02-11-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by daveuz

How old is the earth? How long has man been on the earth?

So far Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh have said the the recent snow storms disprove global warming. Some of the Republican bimbos in congress have said the same.

daveuz · #64 02-11-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

So far Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh have said the the recent snow storms disprove global warming. Some of the Republican bimbos in congress have said the same.

I am just curious to know the answer to the question from MS fowler. I want to see how much science he uses to come up with his answer.

JollyRoger · #65 02-11-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I do not believe that science has yet figured out all the mechanisms that affect climate and weather.
AFAIK, NONE of the models they use for predictions work when used to look at the past. It your model doesn't reproduce what we know happened, how can you rely on it to accurately forecast the future?

I agree with some of what you say as far as putting stuff into the atmosphere. I just believe there is more to it than that. When they ignore solar data, they demonstrate that they are more polemic than science. IOW, the "scientists" are more interesting in proving a point than in scientific truth.
Man has SOME impact.
Man's impact is not the only, or even a major cause.

Most GW people I have heard, honestly admit that if all their restrictions were immediately put into place, would have a measurable effect.

Today's Freshman Chemistry 101 Lesson!

Obtain one sun lamp. Obtain two glass beakers, two thermometers, a cubic centimeter of dry ice, and two stoppers. Put the dry ice in one beaker along with a thermometer, placing the thermometer where it can be observed, and stop the beaker up. Put a thermometer only into the other beaker where it can be observed and stop it up. Place both beakers under heat lamp. Come back in ten minutes and note the temperatures. What happened?

MS Fowler · #66 02-11-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

That is not the only option.

There are many many others.

Do you realize that your are arguing for polluting the environment ?

Do you like smog, acid rain, polluted water ??

No. I'm not.
Its absurd of you to even suggest such a thing.

MS Fowler · #67 02-11-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

So far Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh have said the the recent snow storms disprove global warming. Some of the Republican bimbos in congress have said the same.

Exactly as many used last summer's heat to "prove" MMGW.
Climate is not the same as local weather.

MS Fowler · #68 02-11-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Today's Freshman Chemistry 101 Lesson!

Obtain one sun lamp. Obtain two glass beakers, two thermometers, a cubic centimeter of dry ice, and two stoppers. Put the dry ice in one beaker along with a thermometer, placing the thermometer where it can be observed, and stop the beaker up. Put a thermometer only into the other beaker where it can be observed and stop it up. Place both beakers under heat lamp. Come back in ten minutes and note the temperatures. What happened?

And this closed system is analogous to what?

MS Fowler · #69 02-11-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by daveuz

How old is the earth? How long has man been on the earth?

Is this an attempt to embarrass me because you think I am a "new earther"?

If you'd paid attention, I do not believe that Christians must believe in a 6000 year old earth. Some do. I do not.

Chas H · #70 02-11-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Exactly as many used last summer's heat to "prove" MMGW.
Climate is not the same as local weather.

I posted names. Can you give us some names?
I agree climate is not weather, and I have never posted that a weather episode is an indication of anything. But the earth's climate has been warming; and that is fact and science.

MS Fowler · #71 02-11-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

I posted names. Can you give us some names?
I agree climate is not weather, and I have never posted that a weather episode is an indication of anything. But the earth's climate has been warming; and that is fact and science.

Would names help? You don't know them. They are just people I know who believe MMGW and try to convince me.

daveuz · #72 02-11-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Is this an attempt to embarrass me because you think I am a "new earther"?

If you'd paid attention, I do not believe that Christians must believe in a 6000 year old earth. Some do. I do not.

I am not trying to embarrass you. I was interested in how much science you are willing to reject when it collides with your beliefs. So how old is the earth and how long has man been here?

RichC · #73 02-11-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

No. I'm not.
Its absurd of you to even suggest such a thing.

Do you want to continue polluiting the planet ?

Would you like your children to live in as clean and healthy environment as you were given ?

Do you see that global climate change denial is a thinly veiled argument for continuing to burn more and more fossil fuels ?

Either you are for or aginst polluting the planet.

Its just that simple.

RichC · #74 02-11-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Exactly as many used last summer's heat to "prove" MMGW.
Climate is not the same as local weather.

Yes, climate and weather are two different things.

But they defininatly have an effect on one another.

If we warm the average climate tempratures a few degrees it most definatly has an effect on local weather.

It can cause sever weather like the snow storms we are having now.

If we warm the average climate tempratures 10 to 20 degrees weather patterns will change drastically.

But we wouldent be around to see how drastically.

RichC · #75 02-11-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Today's Freshman Chemistry 101 Lesson!

Obtain one sun lamp. Obtain two glass beakers, two thermometers, a cubic centimeter of dry ice, and two stoppers. Put the dry ice in one beaker along with a thermometer, placing the thermometer where it can be observed, and stop the beaker up. Put a thermometer only into the other beaker where it can be observed and stop it up. Place both beakers under heat lamp. Come back in ten minutes and note the temperatures. What happened?

Beaker one with the dry ice will first cool then warm.
The change of states of the ice from a solid to a gas will absorb the heat from the lamp untill all of the ice evaporates.

Same principal that evaporitive coolers (swamp coolers) use to cool a house.

Then the temprature will rise to near the temp of the lamp.
And the stopper will pop off, or the beaker will burst, or you will get a stopper in the eye when you go to take it off.

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