So you're using the White House official press release to convince people that the administration in the White House isn't deceiving people? I'm anti-government on everything but you 2-party addicts aren't going to win any arguments like that. Just a thought...

Nuh-uh. You're the one who didn't get what he was saying. More competition? The health care industry has managed to rig things so they can legally operate as a conspiracy - a conspiracy to set prices. Managed to do so, that is, with the help of their lackeys, the ones in the Senate who are protecting their sponsors interest by saying No, No, and No. Too many parasites between doctors and patients and they ain't the govt.

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No, that doesn't even make sense. The insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are pushing for these bills.

Well, that's true. I don't argue on behalf of the bill but on behalf of the notion that major adjustments are in order.

The bill places many more people in health company clutches. Healthy people, unlikely to make many claims.

My take is that by no means is all of the health care industry in favor of these bills, however.

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Agreed--the current system needs reform/ repair/replacement.....
But the current system does work to the extent that people get health care.
Lets remember the first statement of the Hippocratic Pat, "First do no harm."

The current Bills do much harm. Scrap them and start over. The republicans looked rational as they argued for that approach while the dems and President were the ones saying , " No, No".

Can someone verify a "fact" I heard somewhere? In the light of all the criticism of the "huge profits" of the HC Insurance industry, it was said that those profits would buy HC insurance for all Americans for 2 days. If that is true, it puts the size of the problem in an interesting context. The numbers are HUGE.

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I give an example of my experience under government health care and I'm not sticking to the facts. I guess I should paint a pretty picture of living in government run section 8 housing so maybe more americans will want to live there as well. Cure the housing problems ! No I forgot every one is entitled to own there own home in this country.

How about in a recession fixing the 10% unemployment , failing housing market and maybe finishing the 2 wars before calling something that is flawed but works a complete crisis. Priority would be nice. Especially with the current deficit.

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Experience : what you receive 3 seconds after you really needed it !!



86 300SDL 387,000? Motor committed suicide
81 300SD 214,000 "new" 132,000 motor
83 300SD 212,000 parts car
83 300SD 147,000

91 F700 5.9 cummins 5spd eaton 298,000
66 AMC rambler American 2dr auto 108,000
95 Chevy 3/4 ton auto 160,000
03 Toyota 4runner 180,000 wifes

You gave no facts or details of your experience, you just labeled it as government run housing and health care. I assume you went to a free clinic subsidized either by local, state or federal funds. What did you expect? You should be thankful the public supported you in section 8 housing and medical care, otherwise you'd probably would have been in the streets sick and dieing. I'm sure it wasn't pretty, but it sustained you until you got on your 2 own feet. That's all it was meant to do.

Does your experience have anything do with the current reform under consideration? No, it doesn't. This not a welfare plan with government run clinics. Actually, it's just the opposite. The plan gives people the oppurtunity to get the same health care similar to what your employer provides. It's not a perfect plan, no such thing exists.

Consider yourself fortunate to still have a job and employer paid health benefits. Many millions of Americans have gone from that to nothing overnight.

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You show me your 70% disaproval poll
and I will show you my 70% approval one.

Where were you during the republican majority ?

Maybe you should go look at some of the other approval ratings for context.
And quit watching FAUX NEWS !!

I used the same retoric on you, that you did on me.
Now your having a fit.
How fitting.

Polly wanna cracker ?

How many people are moving into section 8 housing because of insurance companies ripping them off ?

How many small business are closing because they cannot afford to buy health insurance for employees ? or themselves ?

And the guys fighting the wars have single payer healthcare to come home to.

You are sad, I did not simply parrot back your words--that is your trick.
Stick with the issues, please.

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I gave facts the bleeding part was 100% fact. As you stated it was state and federal funds that supported it. A private organization overseen and funded by the government. Sounds familiar. As far as it being welfare theres other ways to qualify. (SSI) the cost to the child with that is far higher than any one would be willing to pay !

Again we agree It wasn't pretty but it sustained me. So what your stating is there is health care for every one that wants it be it free or subsidized. So its dosent qualify as a crisis because it is there.

I do consider myself lucky but luck cant have all the credit. prior planning helped. Last recession I shoveled pig S**t for 3 dollars to support my family. After that I trained in a field that could weather a recession better with the benefits you state . They are part of my salary and paid for by me as well so no favors are given there. Not to say it wont be gone tommorrow but with luck and a lot of prayer so far so good. As long as I have family materialistic things can come and go.

Does my experience have anything to do with it ? Maybe not in the begining but tear the gift wrap off and play with it a while. Remember welfare was supposed to act as a crutch not a lifestyle.

You state as well as I did that millions are suffering without work. This to me is an actual crisis. Thats why I ask why not stabilize the immediate problem before stepping over it to get more air time.

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86 300SDL 387,000? Motor committed suicide
81 300SD 214,000 "new" 132,000 motor
83 300SD 212,000 parts car
83 300SD 147,000

91 F700 5.9 cummins 5spd eaton 298,000
66 AMC rambler American 2dr auto 108,000
95 Chevy 3/4 ton auto 160,000
03 Toyota 4runner 180,000 wifes

There are over 19,000,000 million Americans out of work. That's the number Obama stated last week. Those are Americans currently with unemployment benefits money still coming in.

The U.S Economy is still contracting, and real estate is still contracting. There will be no recovery without jobs - and there is no reason to think that a sufficient number of private-sector jobs will be created any time soon. Hence - no recovery. We are still in deflation in the U.S as well.

Since there is no recovery in sight, and there is no way to collect more taxes in the form of higher productivity in the country from a greater GDP - that only leaves one form to collect more taxes - and that is to raise taxes for everyone in the country - one way or the other.

To that end, by Executive order - Obama created the Deficit Reduction Committee. Congress wanted no part of creating a Deficit Reduction Committee, so Obama declared one by executive order.

The Deficit Reduction Committe will study all the different ways it can keep the government running and expanding - ands will come up with the recommendation of raising taxes on all Americans. In this way, Obama can claim he had nothing to do with raising taxes in America.

The entitlements to Social Security are growing by the month - baby boomers are being added to SS roles every day - we are in a growing entitlements mode in America. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are are already unfunded now. A full 70%+ of government spending is now entitlements. There is no way to reduce spending - the only answer is to raise taxes.

There is no way to fund what we now have on the books going forward - much less provide 'free healthcare for everyone,' adding over 1 trillion dollars a year to the deficit.

Less than 30% of Americans polled want 100% free government-provided healthcare. 70% of Americans polled want no part of it. The small percentage of people that poll for wanting 'free government provided healthcare,' seem to also have personal issues that influence their polling. Identifying individual issues, or an actual hardship need for free services seems to be the only fair way to administer free healthcare. To that end, means-testing will have to be done to qualify for truly free medical-aid - which is the only fair way to qualify for a government-aid program.

With a second recession on it's way and the making of a perfect storm of factors for one - why would anyone want to change a system that is already working - especially considering America's anemic financial condition? It doesn't make sense as to why one party of the government is trying to take over healthcare in America. And it makes sense as to why only 26% of Americans polled strongly support Obama. I've noticed some people here and elsewhere don't seem to be too perceptive when it comes to the poor financial health of our country. They aren't paying attention if they've not gotten it yet.

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And now a reality check for Skidboy.









And 95 % of tax payers just got a tax cut under Obama


Nothing you have said hold up to the reality test...