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winmutt 04-08-2010 01:56 PM

ACORN, the real story.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36204129#36204129

I hope ACORN sues the bejesus out of FOX, Hannity and beck and anyone else that aired it. For like Billions.

POS 04-08-2010 02:17 PM

Weren't those Acorn videos just a joke? I always got the impression that two "activists" who did the videos of Acorn just wanted to get a laugh about how far over the line Acorn would go (pretty far), then the right jumped on it as if it was actual journalism, then the left jumped on it as a means of being included in the discussion, etc., etc., etc.

Bottom line; I never cared b/c it was all a bunch of hype built on a joke. Journalism today doesn't really exist, and it doesn't exist at Fox, CNN, MSNBC, in Beck, in Hannity, in Maddow, the AP, or anywhere else.

Jim B. 04-08-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by POS (Post 2443900)
Journalism today doesn't really exist, and it doesn't exist at Fox, CNN, MSNBC, in Beck, in Hannity, in Maddow, the AP, or anywhere else.

Please at least try BBC and NPR before you say that.

Pooka 04-08-2010 02:37 PM

I think it would come down to intent. If the vids were made as a joke and that intent could be proven it would let the maker of the vids off the hook.

It the intent of the networks was to destroy ACORN through the use of the vids, and that could be proven, ......

Suing the guy who made the vid would be senseless since he has no deep pockets. Suing the networks could prove to be, well, a lesson to them in responsible journalism.

But sometimes it takes a lawsuit to get at the truth of a matter. Just look at how long it took Senator Al Franken to convince a court that he won an election? The truth came out despite the Republican's attempts to use the courts to change it.

I wonder how hard it would be for a lawyer to find 12 people that don't like Fox News?

732002 04-08-2010 03:32 PM

"but it worked"

MS Fowler 04-08-2010 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winmutt (Post 2443888)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36204129#36204129

I hope ACORN sues the bejesus out of FOX, Hannity and beck and anyone else that aired it. For like Billions.

Using MSNBC as a source is worse than using Matt Drudge. I want journalism sans agenda.

strelnik 04-08-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 2443902)
Please at least try BBC and NPR before you say that.


I would go with BBC and the German news because the slander laws in germany would bankrupt anyone who didn't stick to what they could prove. France INTER is ok, and I don't listen to the Spanish or Italian ones.

How about Radio Havana and Radio Moscow:D:rolleyes: ?

POS 04-08-2010 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 2443902)
Please at least try BBC and NPR before you say that.

BBC I like because they talk international news; NPR I can't listen to for two minutes without falling asleep (not to mention ALL the commentators are extremely left).

cmac2012 04-11-2010 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POS (Post 2443900)
Weren't those Acorn videos just a joke? I always got the impression that two "activists" who did the videos of Acorn just wanted to get a laugh about how far over the line Acorn would go (pretty far), then the right jumped on it as if it was actual journalism, then the left jumped on it as a means of being included in the discussion, etc., etc., etc.

Bottom line; I never cared b/c it was all a bunch of hype built on a joke. Journalism today doesn't really exist, and it doesn't exist at Fox, CNN, MSNBC, in Beck, in Hannity, in Maddow, the AP, or anywhere else.

I suspect James O'Keefe, a guy who is not coming out looking too good in recent developments, saw it as his ticket into the big leagues. And it's not just Maddow who is pointing out the highly dishonest nature of those videos.

This frames my objection to FOX in a nutshell. They are so eager for ammo to spear the damned liberals that they jumped on this POS which is far more duplicitous than Rathergate IMO.

Are they going to take the same hit that Rather took? Are the US Reps (R) who held up O'Keefe as some valiant and worthy patriot going to come out and apologize to ACORN? Is Hannity going to showcase this story and state that he was wrong to glorify O'Keefe? I'm pretty good at holding my breath, but uhhh . . .

davidmash 04-11-2010 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2444094)
Using MSNBC as a source is worse than using Matt Drudge. I want journalism sans agenda.

I'm guessing they will use the CA attorney generals investigation results to sue (if they decide to). Pretty sure that will carry a bit more weight.

I think the saddest part is that Vera had his name slandered for the sake of a buck, lost his job and who knows what else. For that O'Keef and Giles should see the inside of a cell for at least a few months.

I also hope this piece gets a ton of air time so that FOX can get a taste of their own medicine. They like to pretend that they are above it all but this proves they are as dirty as the rest.

cmac2012 04-12-2010 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2444094)
Using MSNBC as a source is worse than using Matt Drudge. I want journalism sans agenda.

Well then, FOX is what you want. :rolleyes:

MSNBC is head and shoulders above FOX in the veracity dept.

Maddow's video speaks for itself. FOX presented crap and agenda driven MSNBC caught them on it. (of course, you'd have to watch it to know)

Txjake 04-12-2010 02:58 PM

"MSNBC is head and shoulders above FOX in the veracity dept."


OMG, I think I just threw up a bit in the back of my mouth after reading this...MSNBC is at least equally spavined as Fox, if not more. Neither is a straight news network:puke:

MS Fowler 04-12-2010 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2446523)
"MSNBC is head and shoulders above FOX in the veracity dept."


OMG, I think I just threw up a bit in the back of my mouth after reading this...MSNBC is at least equally spavined as Fox, if not more. Neither is a straight news network:puke:

Thank You.

cmac2012 04-13-2010 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2446523)
"MSNBC is head and shoulders above FOX in the veracity dept."


OMG, I think I just threw up a bit in the back of my mouth after reading this...MSNBC is at least equally spavined as Fox, if not more. Neither is a straight news network:puke:

Thanks for sharing, you gentleman of refinement you. FOX is about 90% propo/fluff. Not even close.

cmac2012 04-13-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2446828)
Thank You.

Good Lord. Hannity and Palin both have opinion shows at FOX?!? And you're willing to trust their veracity??? This is a network that has sold it's soul and sold it cheap.


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