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Old 04-26-2010, 01:35 AM
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gee, do i need to draw you a picture? people with no job security aren't about to report problems to regulators, nor do they have any leverage against management.

and yes, there are corrupt unions. however, there are corrupt corporations, and we certainly don't see anyone (absurdly) saying that "the time for corporations has passed, they have outlived their effectiveness."

anyway, you are mgmt., and will continue to spout the party line; i thought this section was about discussion, not promulgation of rigid ideologies. silly me.
I haven't been "management" for many years, I'm self employed.

I agree that there are many "corrupt" management teams in many industries, I've seen my share. The solution is to enforce appropriate regulations, not to have an equally corrupt union "wetting their beaks" at the expense of the workers.

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Old 04-26-2010, 07:36 AM
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What you are missing is the political element in any enforcement agency. If the department of interior is run by a person with logging ties all our remaining virgin stands of timber somehow get earmarked for development.

If an oil person is in charge of the same department designated wildlife areas are opened to oil and gas drilling.

etc.

Enforcment of workers safety rules by a governmental agency controled at the top by an anti labor person (such as W) will be toothless in the face of needed enforcment. Funding for the enforcement if cut will result in less enforcement.

Less funding makes less "cops" around to enforce, less money to bring offenders to trial etc.
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Old 04-26-2010, 09:31 AM
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Enforcment of workers safety rules by a governmental agency controled at the top by an anti labor person (such as W) will be toothless in the face of needed enforcment. Funding for the enforcement if cut will result in less enforcement.

Less funding makes less "cops" around to enforce, less money to bring offenders to trial etc.
"W" has been gone already. Since we have a pro labor person in place, it should have been fixed, right?
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"W" has been gone already. Since we have a pro labor person in place, it should have been fixed, right?
obama is not pro-labor. don't be naive. (tho i do believe you are being a bit sarcastic, actually.)
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:00 PM
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I read through the 1st 3-4 pages and all of these problems could have been solved by 2 simple rule. My gramother had an analogy that holds true more now than ever, IF YOU DONT HAVE THE CASH FOR IT YOU CANT AFFORD IT!!!!!

The only payment that I myself have is a house note. Its kind of hard to come up with $165k on short notice.

Between all of our cars the combined age is 55 years with 565k on them. Are they the best looking? Hell no but they are all payed for, run fine and drive almost everyday. I found it was cheaper to put $2500 a year into repairs than a $550 dollar amonth payment for 6 years with the same maint bill.

But how many of us either have or know someone who HAS TO HAVE a new car every 2 years, has three closets full of clothes, has a 4 bedroom house so each kid has there own room with a spare, has to have 300+ channels of tv(with on in each bedroom)

You can see where I am going with this. I am not trying to run down anyone who has lost a job but they put them selves into it.


The best time to look for a job is when you dont need one.


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That will go against the church and state separation, will it not?

Can you show us that statement in the constitution? Because it is not there. I happen to know where it was written, from and to whom it was written along with what it had to deal with.
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Can you show us that statement in the constitution? Because it is not there. I happen to know where it was written, from and to whom it was written along with what it had to deal with.
Can you show us where in the constitution this new healthcare law is?
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Old 04-28-2010, 06:03 PM
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Can you show us where in the constitution this new healthcare law is?
Look in the declaration of independence..."life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

I reckon life and pursuit of happiness both would catch it.
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Look in the declaration of independence..."life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

I reckon life and pursuit of happiness both would catch it.
Says you can pursue it. Nothing about it has to be given to you.
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Can you show us where in the constitution this new healthcare law is?

Its not there but some people seem to think "provide for the common welfare" covers it.

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Can you show us where in the constitution this new healthcare law is?
It's been pointed out many times. Read the Preamble to the Constitution.
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where in the constitution does it say that homeowners should be able to write off mortgage interest? don't hear too many complaints about that?
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It's been pointed out many times. Read the Preamble to the Constitution.
I did. If you want to squeeze this in and say that is what the constitution is trying to accomplish and therefore we have to do it, we could also say that bailing out any small business fits in "general welfare" all the way to butt wiping.
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For my self I operate on the idea that the harder I work and think the luckier I will be.

However, I know lots of folks who work plenty hard but still are not fortunate financially or in other ways.

Being lucky in marriage goes a long way in life.....how does anyone know? I married my wife after knowing her less than six months and it has been wonderful, but I consider myself very very lucky in that respect. (I wasn't so lucky the first marriage!)

I don't advise anybody to rely on luck but in my own case I feel very lucky for what I have and what I have been given through no effort of my own.
Tom, you should take some credit yourself. Many times it is the intangiables that swing things our way. I too am also blessed with a good wife incidentally.

We also were very fortunate to have four daughters that grew up pretty well. Not perfect mind you but far better adjusted than the mean average both emotionally and intellectually. I should ask the wife sometime if they are really mine as well. That way I can have my head served up for dinner.

I have always had more than one iron in the fire. Even today possibly from habit at age 67 I still do it. Call it fall back positions perhaps.

I also try to keep it balanced so if one iron gets cold another is hot enough already to easily meet current needs. The reserve ones keep piling up and could employ many people or my time for the next hundred years.

I do not really know how people develop enough self confidence. In my mind it is a critical component to well being. . At the same time perhaps a lot of people did not either have the opportunities or were distracted too much from aquiring the essentials of life to develop it. One small item can rotate a persons life. The ability to see what others cannot percieve sometimes is a blessing and a curse.

I also see life as a bit of a gamble. You have to at times engage risk. Especially when young. The secret perhaps is adaquatly and accuratly evaluating it before engaging. Or just possesing enough awareness to structure it better your self.

If the engagement of risk is forced on you then it may be just coincidence on how it works out. Then the factor of the unknown enters the picture sometimes as well. Not a pleasant senario to travel through. That journey can be a major learning experience or be a fear development event. Much depends on your perception.

One thing that has not been mentioned with unemployment that is unexpected or prolonged is the depressing factor. Actually an interm clinical depression type syndrome can develop that further inhibits a persons chances of gaining employment. Basically the person may start to feel almost worthless for example. This in my opinion is quite understandable. We are fundementally emotional creatures.

This area can leave very long lasting mental shadows. For example my mother and father lived through the great depression. They were semi scarred by the event to some extent permanently.

A lot of members on site have possibly heard relatives for example talk about it at one time or another. For many the unemployment lasted a very long time and changed hopes and life for perhaps millions of people. Our expected system at that time just took a very long nosedive. This is one reason that regardless of cause I take longer periods of unemployment as a serious social issue.

I do not think one can develop a clear picture of how it impacts an individual really without being there yourself. One can say for example I am 200k underwater on my house. I would not personally experience the feelings that senario develops in the individual. Nor could I properly visualise them.

Once again it is a situation you have to be exposed to yourself to appreciate the true effects in my opinion. I suspect for example either a rise in divorce rates attribuatable to this or a reduction. It is too early to tell as people are waiting for a value recovery and how much percentagewise wise it will be.

It may for example help to sit down with paper and pen. List true replacement costs for the house ignoring the currrent markets evaluation. Theoretically it should at least recover to true current replacement value. supply and demand should enable that after awhile.

If one just paid the market price during a peak that really had no relationship to true value there will be difficulty. For example if I can have a builder put up a simular new house for say 200k today in your area and you paid 350k for your property there is no true recovery.

Sure ultimatly you will see 350 again but not in todays dollars. The reality then is you have lost 150k in real wealth long term. I understand the forces that enabled it. In a way it has the scope of the 1929 crash but in a normally more secure area. The best hope currently is some form of recovery adaquate enough to reabsorb the unemployed.
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Having the self confidence to try things that have some risk is a big key (I agree with Barry). I do have that self confidence. Where does it come from? For me it is partialy genetic I believe and partly simply from trying things and being able to succeed.

My first notable success was when I was in grade school and noticed I could figure things out more easily than most of the kids.

Then I found success in 4-H, winning a state fair entry for my electric lamp when I was about 13.

Each time a person has a success it encourages them to try something more difficult. Of course there will be failures along the way and another big key is to bounce back after a set back and keep trying things.

Perserverence is the most important element to success.

Never give up!

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