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Craig 04-23-2010 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 2453573)
That's hilarious. My wifes a teacher. We just got rid of 39 teachers in our district this year. Which is one of the least badly affected districts in this state. She's expecting to have her pay cut, or simply be unemployed sometime next year.

- Peter.
Seriously, you want to find a way to get out of that area; pick another part of the country and start looking for better jobs.

pj67coll 04-23-2010 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2453587)
Seriously, you want to find a way to get out of that area; pick another part of the country and start looking for better jobs.
Might well happen. Unfortunately our 200K mortage is on a house worth maybe 30 or 40 so bankruptcy would result. We shall see what we shall see.

- Peter.

Fulcrum525 04-23-2010 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 2453573)
That's hilarious. My wifes a teacher. We just got rid of 39 teachers in our district this year. Which is one of the least badly affected districts in this state. She's expecting to have her pay cut, or simply be unemployed sometime next year.

- Peter.

There is talk about firing many teachers in CT as well and frankly that is just sad. :(

TnBob 04-23-2010 12:01 PM
No comments about WHERE to move ....

Im in pretty rural Tennessee where there are now a smaller number of mfg's.

tonkovich appears to be in the Los Angeles area and his income has taken much more than just a minor hit.

I have a number of friends in the LA area and each of them have said the same thing... 'its getting worse daily here' or words to that effect.

Fulcrum525 04-23-2010 12:10 PM
Yes from what i've been reading Southern California has been one of the hardest hit regions in the country. Not to stereotype or anything but perhaps because it signifies the overindulgence that some have mentioned in this and other threads. Not sure though....anyone want to confirm or refute that statement?

I know CT has been hit but there are some signs that we're either going to stay level for the time being or begin to (Slowly) pull out of this mess.

Skid Row Joe 04-23-2010 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MBlovr (Post 2453317)
I'm just grateful that I have enough ambition not to spend time sitting around on a computer complaining about the unemployed.
I believe the OP was using shame as to show how some people would rather not work than be employed. Any non-enabling parent would point out the same to their unemployed kid.

The OP's been in the trenches of hard times himself and has bounced back to help himself - I think he made some uplifting and accurate points in the original post.

Skid Row Joe 04-23-2010 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2453338)
then it seems like your vilification of the unemployed and unfortunate is even more of a projection than i figured.

(it's a lovely concept, this mastery of one's own destiny; sadly, such conceits are quite delusional. as evelyn waugh said of the human condition: "i see fear in a handful of a dust.)

oh, and if everyone were an entrepreneur, who exactly would they employ?

for the record, i have been an employee (though usually i end up being asked to be a manager) as well as an employer. at present i manage a 16 unit apartment building, for which i receive a free one bedroom apartment and garage in return. additionally, i paint sets for tv shows, and paint houses, apts, restaurants etc., hang drywall, even do plumbing, haul trash and do demo, even drive an elderly attorney to court and the jail, and despite these efforts, i have seen my income go from $50k to about $15k. so don't tell me (and lots of other struggling people i know) that we are overextended, lazy losers. the pie is getting smaller, and more people want pieces. be thankful for what you have, but don't think that people are struggling cause they're not trying. (unless it makes you feel better - which it seems to.)
Sounds like you've become bitter over your income dropping. You have to keep keeping on - just like the rest of us.

tonkovich 04-23-2010 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe (Post 2453641)
Sounds like you've become bitter over your income dropping. You have to keep keeping on - just like the rest of us.
actually, i worked every day this week, including sunday. and five days last week. however, the rates have dropped, and there are long dry periods. and no one is hiring. and the city and state are letting people go. "bitter"? no. just the facts.

tonkovich 04-23-2010 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2453553)
They seem to address both sides of the issue. I was just pointing out that there is a cost to extending benifits. Personally, I would love to opt out of unemployment insurance, just like SS.
your use of "both sides of the issue " is certainly illuminating.

this "both sides of the issue" concept was addressed by alexander cockburn.

imagine, a debate on cnn (or any other pseudo news outfit) during, say, world war II.

"larry king here, taking on that 'pesky final solution" issue. it's a controversy that just won't die.

tonight, from washington, we'll have the secretary of state, speaking against it.

and later, from, berlin, the german take on the situation.

stay tuned, we'll back after this message."

the issue is that corporations and the wealthy don't want to pay taxes or provide social services for people. and they have the cato institute to shill for them. and people like you who believe that the cato institute is a "libertarian organization". you don't know propaganda when you see it.

Craig 04-23-2010 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2453902)
the issue is that corporations and the wealthy don't want to pay taxes or provide social services for people. and they have the cato institute to shill for them. and people like you who believe that the cato institute is a "libertarian organization". you don't know propaganda when you see it.
I understand exactly where they are coming from, I just happen to agree with them on this issue. I disagree with them on other issues, such as health care. It's all "propaganda."

BTW, you automatically lose for violating Godwin's Law. ;)

t walgamuth 04-23-2010 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 2453573)
That's hilarious. My wifes a teacher. We just got rid of 39 teachers in our district this year. Which is one of the least badly affected districts in this state. She's expecting to have her pay cut, or simply be unemployed sometime next year.

- Peter.
What is funny about people losing jobs?

The county school corp here is laying off 20% of its staff in the fall, at least they have given pink slips to that many.

This kind of draconian cuts are simply unprecedented in the field of teaching.

My Mrs. is in the city school corp which is separate and through foresight have avoided the drastic cuts by careful planning when they knew the economy would affect the tax collection in the next year or two. My mrs. is about #13 in seniority out of 400 or so teachers so will not under any circumstances face a lay off.

pj67coll 04-23-2010 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2453989)
What is funny about people losing jobs?

The county school corp here is laying off 20% of its staff in the fall, at least they have given pink slips to that many.

This kind of draconian cuts are simply unprecedented in the field of teaching.

My Mrs. is in the city school corp which is separate and through foresight have avoided the drastic cuts by careful planning when they knew the economy would affect the tax collection in the next year or two. My mrs. is about #13 in seniority out of 400 or so teachers so will not under any circumstances face a lay off.
Sorry it seems my intent was not clear. I didn't mean it's funny to lose your job, both my wife and I face that possibility next year, I was being sarcastic about the proffessor saying that you need some kind of "permanent income like a teacher" or words to that effect. Given that with the teaching layoffs there is no such thing as "permanent income".

AZ did away with teacher seniority which means my wifes thirteen years in the profession counts for nothing. Arizona is something of a special case. While I am normally one who favors small and limited government I recognisz that you reach a point of diminishing returns. Here it seems most of the legal inhabitants are so anti-government they are happy to damage an already poor educational system even further to satisfy their neanderthal leanings.

- Peter.

tonkovich 04-23-2010 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2453908)
I understand exactly where they are coming from, I just happen to agree with them on this issue. I disagree with them on other issues, such as health care. It's all "propaganda."

BTW, you automatically lose for violating Godwin's Law. ;)
gee, i am crushed. i violated godwin's law.

oh, and you are familiar with the koch family? and the john m olin foundation? the scalfes?

Craig 04-24-2010 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2454026)
gee, i am crushed. i violated godwin's law.

oh, and you are familiar with the koch family? and the john m olin foundation? the scalfes?
Don't know, don't care; I only care about the issues, not the various sleaze balls who make a living on both sides of every debate.

Be careful, violating Godwin's law can get you banned for all the internets. :D

tonkovich 04-24-2010 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2454065)
Don't know, don't care; I only care about the issues, not the various sleaze balls who make a living on both sides of every debate.

Be careful, violating Godwin's law can get you banned for all the internets. :D
wow. i am all atwtitter with worry.

you're kind of silly - still working that "godwin's law" - and self described as being ignorant and apathetic - your words, not mine "don't know, don't care" indeed. but keep working the smug and flippant approach; it will keep you from ever knowing anything.

i recall the words of bill russell - seemingly a dumb jock? - who said:

"it is beter to understand, than to be understood."

p.s. the nazi hitler thing was an analogy. i sure you know both sides of those. :D


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