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Old 05-13-2010, 09:01 AM
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Question Selling My Jeep Wrangler-With Plow or Without?

I'm finally getting around to selling my '00 TJ Wrangler. I really do have a lot of fun with it in the warm months and it's my winter plow vehicle but the reality is that with 4 kids all participating in their various activities it is just too small to be practical for me. I considered keeping it and buying something else but the fact of the matter is I just don't want to pay the extra taxes, registration and insurance costs to keep it around and have $8-9K tied up in a vehicle that isn't that useful. I'd rather liquidate it, pay off the last couple of grand on my wife's van and just buy something older and cheaper that would be big enough to occasionally tow my boat and a camper around New England (maybe nice 60-70's 9 passenger wagon, 60's 2WD IH Travelall or 2WD 12v Cummins extended cab).

The question is should I take the plow off before I sell it or leave it on and give the potential buyers the option of "With Plow" or "Without"? Even if I take it off I would disclose that it was used for personal, multi-driveway plowing but I wonder if it might be more attractive without the plow and plowframe on it.

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Old 05-13-2010, 09:31 AM
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People have made a big deal about Brian's Truck Shop that will warranty your trans even if you plow. Kinda gives you a hint about how hard plowing is on the truck. Therefore, I suggest you sell them separately. Obviously, if I ask you "Have you used this truck for plowing snow?", you have to truthfully answer it. OTOH, as the rule Bill C put up in the military, "Don't ask, don't tell".

I'd take it off and sell it at a different time. Right now, do you see snow? I'd get it in the shed and sell it on CL or Ebay say around Sep.

When I sell vehicles, you take it and test it without doing anything potentially destructive and/or have your mechanic look it over. All under my supervision. At the end of the day, if you buy it, fine. You will sign an "as is" statement which will specify "No warranties expressed or implied". As soon as your check clears, it is yours. I suggest you do the same.
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:55 AM
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I just sold my '04 TJ about 6 weeks ago, everyone wanted to know if I towed or plowed with it. I agree with aklim, pull it off. Snow stuff is worth double when the first snow hits. Who knows maybe you'll put it on that cummins.
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:25 AM
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If the buyer does a reasonable job of looking at the vehicle, they should be able to tell it had a plow rig mounted on it from the marks of the bolts.

I agree with selling the plow later for more money, but I would be honest and upfront from the start if anyone asks that you did plow with it since they will be able to tell if they are really interested. I would straight up state exactly what you said in your first post.

Ive caught sellers a number of times looking at trucks where I live, its rare that you find a 4x4 vehicle that hasn't been used to plow up here, but several times I have caught someone lying to me, or trying to mislead me about how they used the vehicle, often by omitting information, and did not go through with the sale, since then I have to doubt everything they said.

You might as well tell the looker exactly what you do with the jeep, and you have a better than even chance that you will have a buyer who either knows and does not care about plow use, or does not know and does not care about the plow use.

I would list it on craigslist and state in the add that you also have a plow that fits the truck available to purchase for a set amount if the buyer is interested. It would then be implied that you plowed with it, but you will have not directly stated so. Then you have satisfied all disclosure about the vehicle, and there is no need to mention it during the sale unless the buyer asks.

It would be worth it to avoid appearing like you were trying to hide that fact. Lets say the buyer asks you about the history of the vehicle, and you omit that you plowed since they did not directly ask if you plowed. Then later they ask that question, and you have to be honest. Then it looks like you were hiding that, which implies that there may be an issue with the vehicle caused by plowing.
The best way is to freely admit that you plowed with the vehicle and your attitude should be, "so?" That would put a buyer at ease, and they can assume that you kept good care of it since you probably did.
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:30 AM
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Just to be clear I didn't mean not tell them, I'm just saying sell it without.
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I just sold my '04 TJ about 6 weeks ago, everyone wanted to know if I towed or plowed with it. I agree with aklim, pull it off. Snow stuff is worth double when the first snow hits. Who knows maybe you'll put it on that cummins.
It's only 6.5' but it's a real heavy-duty plow (Pathfinder Snow Plows). I had considered keeping it and buying/building some wings for it to get it to 7.5-8' and put it on something. Might be a better way to go and probably easier to sell it without the plow on it.

I'm just not the type who would hide the fact that it did push snow, though.
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:03 AM
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Plow trucks tend to be worth less because they can be beat.


IMHO I would take the plow off and sell it on ebay.

Than ebay the plow.
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but several times I have caught someone lying to me, or trying to mislead me about how they used the vehicle, often by omitting information, and did not go through with the sale, since then I have to doubt everything they said.

You might as well tell the looker exactly what you do with the jeep, and you have a better than even chance that you will have a buyer who either knows and does not care about plow use, or does not know and does not care about the plow use.

I would list it on craigslist and state in the add that you also have a plow that fits the truck available to purchase for a set amount if the buyer is interested. It would then be implied that you plowed with it, but you will have not directly stated so. Then you have satisfied all disclosure about the vehicle, and there is no need to mention it during the sale unless the buyer asks.

The best way is to freely admit that you plowed with the vehicle and your attitude should be, "so?" That would put a buyer at ease, and they can assume that you kept good care of it since you probably did.
I doubt EVERYTHING the seller says. That is why I bring my OBDII scanner, compression tester and what not. I have encountered tons of sellers that pull the "Check Engine" light bulb out but can't fool the scanner. I check all the fluids. Too fresh makes me wonder. Why would you change your trans fluid before a sale if not to hide something? Especially when you have no records of previous changes.

Or you have a buyer that now gets cold feet since they don't understand or want to take the risk. Seeing as how I have been treated by sellers, I'd say he should take the risk.

Why? So the buyer can find a reason to talk you down? I seize every opportunity to talk the seller down and this will give me more ammunition.

If asked, tell. OTOH, why highlight it? That is how all the sellers I have worked with have dealt with me. Car dealerships all the way to private sellers. So, when in Rome......
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:24 AM
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I'm just not the type who would hide the fact that it did push snow, though.
But if not asked, why go out of your way to help him talk you down? AFAIK, in the car selling world, it is Caveat Emptor.
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Plow trucks tend to be worth less because they can be beat.


IMHO I would take the plow off and sell it on ebay.

Than ebay the plow.
Can and Are beat. Plowing is hard on the trans since it heats things up and doesn't allow it to cool as well and the truck drivers usually hit something here or there.
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I doubt EVERYTHING the seller says. That is why I bring my OBDII scanner, compression tester and what not. I have encountered tons of sellers that pull the "Check Engine" light bulb out but can't fool the scanner. I check all the fluids. Too fresh makes me wonder. Why would you change your trans fluid before a sale if not to hide something? Especially when you have no records of previous changes.

Or you have a buyer that now gets cold feet since they don't understand or want to take the risk. Seeing as how I have been treated by sellers, I'd say he should take the risk.

Why? So the buyer can find a reason to talk you down? I seize every opportunity to talk the seller down and this will give me more ammunition.

If asked, tell. OTOH, why highlight it? That is how all the sellers I have worked with have dealt with me. Car dealerships all the way to private sellers. So, when in Rome......
You would be the buyer from hell.

I agree that if you go to buy a vehicle from a private party, its at you own risk, but if he prices it reasonably, and since its a jeep he will have a lot of calls, he does not need to argue on the price.
Personally, if it were my jeep, and you came to look at it bringing your arsenal of tools and the assumption that I was a liar, especially since its only a 2000, id tell you to take a hike and sell it to the 20 year old college student that looked at it next.

Jeeps are very popular, he does not need to do battle with any buyers, and he does not need to argue on the price with anyone if he chooses not to.
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Is the Wrangler in question automatic or manual?
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:11 PM
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What would you do with the plow if you didn't sell it with the Jeep?

What would you do with no plow come winter?
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You would be the buyer from hell.

I agree that if you go to buy a vehicle from a private party, its at you own risk, but if he prices it reasonably, and since its a jeep he will have a lot of calls, he does not need to argue on the price.

Personally, if it were my jeep, and you came to look at it bringing your arsenal of tools and the assumption that I was a liar, especially since its only a 2000, id tell you to take a hike and sell it to the 20 year old college student that looked at it next.

Jeeps are very popular, he does not need to do battle with any buyers, and he does not need to argue on the price with anyone if he chooses not to.
Having been around the block a few times and taking it up the pooper, I tend to be cautious and suspect everyone. Experience has taught me that. So, even if you are trying to scam me or you really don't know better, I like to be covered.

Car dealers have tried to scam me and so have private parties. Way I see it, both parties have one thing in common. The human element. So, since both parties are trying to do the same thing, they are the same. Only with a dealership, you have certain recourse. I have had a lady try to sell me a car for more than what a dealership wants. Reason is her BF says she can. Told her that it was unrealistic and if her BF wants to write the check, so be it.

That would be fine with me. I usually ask up front if you mind me running my own tests or getting a PPI. When selling, I prefer you to do that so you don't come back and say that I didn't tell you this or that. That way, if it breaks down as you leave, that is your own problem not mine.

Depends on how fast he wants to move it and how right the price is.
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Words to live by.

BTW I had a hell of time selling my wrangler.

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