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Drezell 06-06-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2481288)
I thought she looked so sweet and put upon when that dude (who was it?) did the: "Imo let you finish, but Beyonce . . . " She didn't freak, didn't over-react.

I didn't watch...but hearing about that made my DAY! Best thing I've ever heard.

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Originally Posted by TylerH860 (Post 2481290)
I'm really happy for you.... I'm gonna let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of ALL TIME!!!!

lol YUP! That was it.

Ahhh...Kanye West...thank you so much for making me feel happy.

http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploa...you-finish.jpg
(I WANT this shirt!)

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/...-KanyeWest.jpg

I liked this song of his. If you wanna try him, cmac ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwMX6T5Jhk

cmac2012 06-06-2010 06:34 PM

Jeez, why do you hate Taylor Swift so much? Kanye made an ass of himself. Beyonce sure thought so. She brought TS up on stage later so she could get the props she deserved and had been sorta deprived of.

Back when I was at the peak of my small time stardom in Seattle, a few guys just hated my guts. I'm sure my ego got a bit swollen and that I wasn't always the most lovable guy back then but these guys were just obsessed. It mostly played out in that coffee house I hung at. Great open mic every Monday, it was a serious hangout. Large for a coffee house, it would hold about 150 during the performances.

If I had a good night, and some ladies were borderline swooning, these guys would be shooting daggers at me with their eyes. Poor things.

BodhiBenz1987 06-06-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2480672)
Now hear me out me buckos before you sneer.

Today I'm on some page, Yahoo maybe, can't find it now and the hook was "Surprising fan of Taylor Swift . . ." and I'm thinking, 'OK, I've manfully resisted this latest bubble gum princess, cute enough but a bit skinny, say what, not enough power to the voice perhaps,' bit I'm intrigued, so I click and . . .

It was Lady GaGa, when asked if she had any guilty pleasures musically, confessed that when Taylor Swift's new hit comes on the radio she sings along much too loudly, quickly adding something like, "no disrespect to Taylor or the song, it's a wonderful song but more whimsical than what I usually get into, Taylor is a fine singer and songwriter."

So I look for it on Youtube, the song "You Belong With Me," and yes it is poppy, one of those semi-country songs with a bubble gum flavored finish and may God and Leonard Cohen forgive me, but I really like it. It's my kind of tune to sing and play, syncopated phrasing and all, I'm learning it right now and I am going to kill with this song. College girls are going to be begging me to teach them how to do it (sing the song, that is) when they hear me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw

I've done that before when I used to perform more, that is, sing a song that's really meant to be sung from a lady's point of view, starting off with a 'pardon me ya'all, this here is such a lovely little melody, I want you to close your eyes and imagine I'm singing it as a tribute to this fine young songwriter, which I am . . . ' and so on.

I wouldn't sneer at that ... I'm definitely not a Taylor Swift fan but I wouldn't write off her talent. She has a nice voice, although with a lot of young pop stars it's hard to tell what's highly edited and what isn't. Even in "live" performances. Personally I find her songs a bit grinding ... but mostly because I prefer harder or darker material, or a more complex style, if you will. I also prefer male voices, albeit usually falsettos (Matt Bellamy, Chris Martin, Thom Yorke, James Blunt). Lady GaGa is actually an exception to that (along with a few others). While odd, she has a very powerful voice ... not that I'm a huge fan but I dig whatever they play on the radio. You should post your Taylor Swift cover on here ... I might like it better than TS!

Squabble, I'm not a metal fan but I understand your POV there. A lot of people write it off as wild screaming but some of it is pretty intricate. Not really my taste but I wouldn't knock it. I was watching some Rock Am Ring footage yesterday and I don't think I could have survived that crowd. Funniest tidbit from that show: Muse's UFO blocking MTV's streaming signal during Slayer's performance. Oops. Gotta watch where you park your UFO, boys.

cmac2012 06-06-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BodhiBenz1987 (Post 2481623)
I wouldn't sneer at that ... I'm definitely not a Taylor Swift fan but I wouldn't write off her talent. She has a nice voice, although with a lot of young pop stars it's hard to tell what's highly edited and what isn't. Even in "live" performances. Personally I find her songs a bit grinding ... but mostly because I prefer harder or darker material, or a more complex style, if you will. I also prefer male voices, albeit usually falsettos (Matt Bellamy, Chris Martin, Thom Yorke, James Blunt). Lady GaGa is actually an exception to that (along with a few others). While odd, she has a very powerful voice ... not that I'm a huge fan but I dig whatever they play on the radio. You should post your Taylor Swift cover on here ... I might like it better than TS!

Now I've done it. I'm going to have to post a vid of me covering a chick song. How did I get into this? Maybe this will light a fire under my ass and I'll look for a good lady music partner who needs me to back her up on the song and sing harmony. It might take a while but the gauntlet has been laid down. I go now, to gird up my loins.

On guy singers with falsetto, I like this Chris Isaac number. It was on the True Romance soundtrack, a bit better than this version but this one's OK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTaWI1cebXs

Drezell 06-07-2010 12:11 AM

Sorry cmac. I'm an odd person. People bug me in the oddest ways...I'm kind of a misanthropist. Which is odd because I have TONS of friends...and am actually pretty darn friendly after a bit...I'm usually happy-go-lucky, but part of me is like "UGH, I HATE this" ...and that includes country music....alright. Forgive me. And also, hear me out. I dislike the southern accent...I have no problem with people from the south...but...their voices aren't pleasant in my ears. Kind of like how I don't like the feel of velvet or corduroy....

I was stuck in line at an airport with this couple from Texas, and they were REALLY wonderful people. I loved what they had to say, and how they phrased things. Very interesting....but ...their voices....I dunno. Obviously, if I was listening to them and enjoying the conversation after so long, I got over it for the time being. But...you know...eh. Not a fan of country music for that reason...the sound of the singer's voice. Not how high pitched or low...but the accent. I know...I feel horrible saying it....because its really not fair. But it turns me off.

But that's not why I don't like Taylor Swift. It's a bit of a contributing factor, but also, it was from a couple of years ago, it was a dumb thing, but I didn't like some stuff that was going on with her that was in the press. But its all weird pop teenager-y stuff that I wasn't happy about. Whatever.

Can't wait to see the video on youtube! I'll probably like it better than Taylor's version. Here's how to get you on youtube, you go play for a crowd, and then have someone video tape you, and then you put it up! I'd go do it...but...I'm a "bit" far away to come find you and get a good video of you to put up!

okyoureabeast 06-07-2010 12:55 AM

Don't write off Lady Gaga so quick. She has an incredible voice and spent a LOT of time working on the bottom rungs in bars and clubs around New York.

She does write all of her own music and refuses to lip sync. Lady Gaga (with all of the clothing oddities) is an incredible musician.

Not all pop music is alike. Just because one may not like it doesn't make it manufactured or similar to the other bits thrown out these days.

Disclaimer: I fraggin love Lady Gaga :D

Drezell, this is for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz10BUCP2dE

BodhiBenz1987 06-07-2010 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by okyoureabeast (Post 2481826)
Don't write off Lady Gaga so quick. She has an incredible voice and spent a LOT of time working on the bottom rungs in bars and clubs around New York.

She does write all of her own music and refuses to lip sync. Lady Gaga (with all of the clothing oddities) is an incredible musician.

Not all pop music is alike. Just because one may not like it doesn't make it manufactured or similar to the other bits thrown out these days.

Disclaimer: I fraggin love Lady Gaga :D

Drezell, this is for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz10BUCP2dE

I actually hesitate to call Gaga "pop" ... yes, she is popular, but she definitely goes her own way. She isn't the same kind of "pop" as Justin Beiber or Adam Lambert, in other words. Like I said, I'm not a huge GaGa fan, but she's an intriguing and talented musician, and is a refreshing change from most of what's on the radio. You know what I love (random) ... the way British people say "Lady Gaga" ... "GarGar."

cmac, Chris Isaac has a great voice ... I'd never heard that song though and didn't know he could go that high! I wonder what his actual range is?

cmac2012 06-07-2010 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Drezell (Post 2481807)
Sorry cmac. I'm an odd person. People bug me in the oddest ways...I'm kind of a misanthropist. Which is odd because I have TONS of friends...and am actually pretty darn friendly after a bit...I'm usually happy-go-lucky, but part of me is like "UGH, I HATE this" ...and that includes country music....alright. Forgive me. And also, hear me out. I dislike the southern accent...I have no problem with people from the south...but...their voices aren't pleasant in my ears. Kind of like how I don't like the feel of velvet or corduroy....

I was stuck in line at an airport with this couple from Texas, and they were REALLY wonderful people. I loved what they had to say, and how they phrased things. Very interesting....but ...their voices....I dunno. Obviously, if I was listening to them and enjoying the conversation after so long, I got over it for the time being. But...you know...eh. Not a fan of country music for that reason...the sound of the singer's voice. Not how high pitched or low...but the accent. I know...I feel horrible saying it....because its really not fair. But it turns me off.

But that's not why I don't like Taylor Swift. It's a bit of a contributing factor, but also, it was from a couple of years ago, it was a dumb thing, but I didn't like some stuff that was going on with her that was in the press. But its all weird pop teenager-y stuff that I wasn't happy about. Whatever.

Can't wait to see the video on youtube! I'll probably like it better than Taylor's version. Here's how to get you on youtube, you go play for a crowd, and then have someone video tape you, and then you put it up! I'd go do it...but...I'm a "bit" far away to come find you and get a good video of you to put up!

I can actually relate pretty well to that. The few times I've seen Miley Cyrus on the telly, my back teeth stand on edge. Just bizarre, like an utterly manufactured personality. What got me about Taylor Swift was that video. Her face was so believable and in both roles! The hot chick looked like a black widow vixen, just totally stuck up, and the mousy little blond girl in the band actually seemed sweet and unappreciated. The melody is sorta catchy but it is a tad goofy. I do want to learn it though because people often dig a familiar melody played by someone who sounds really different that the one who made it popular. I've got a CD by a Scottish guy, Dick Gaughan and one of the tunes is the Stones' "Ruby Tuesday." Just sounds wild being sung slower by one guy with a guitar.

One song I love doing cause no guys, I swear, no guys do it is Joni Mitchell's "Blue Boy." It works just fine as a guy song and it is one sexy tune. It's on her "Ladies of the Canyon" album, one of the most perfect albums of all time, for me anyway.

I was just looking for that and I found this one instead from her album "Blue." Lord have mercy, no woman has ever moved me like Joni. Her later jazz stuff didn't thrill me most of the time but oh man, in the day, she was it. This one has to be the coolest song ever done on dulcimer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR356wrvQq4&feature=related

This one has two songs from Ladies of the Canyon, Rainy Night House and Blue Boy. Most albums I'd like a few songs, but with LotC I liked them all. The whold thing consecutive was mesmorizing. This is a live performance, almost as good as the album, but the album has better audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z15yTKSn4fA

Drezell 06-07-2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by okyoureabeast (Post 2481826)

HAHAHAHHAA. WOW...just...wow....>_< country-rap?! Hahhaa. I was actually quite amused by that. Actually, I like T-Pain's voice...I dunno why, but what they did in that video, and in "I'm On a Boat" it just sounds kinda cool...what they do with it. I dunno if his other stuff is like that though...never really looked him up.

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2481867)
I can actually relate pretty well to that.

I was just looking for that and I found this one instead from her album "Blue." Lord have mercy, no woman has ever moved me like Joni. Her later jazz stuff didn't thrill me most of the time but oh man, in the day, she was it. This one has to be the coolest song ever done on dulcimer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR356wrvQq4&feature=related

This one has two songs from Ladies of the Canyon, Rainy Night House and Blue Boy. Most albums I'd like a few songs, but with LotC I liked them all. The whold thing consecutive was mesmorizing. This is a live performance, almost as good as the album, but the album has better audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z15yTKSn4fA

Glad you sorta relate...because...I was afraid I was about to be ambushed and killed.

I'll be amused to hear you sing that...can you hit the notes like she does? "CaliFORnia" Hahaha.

This is turning into a type of thread that should go into the the "video" section of peachparts! Haha.

mpolli 06-08-2010 03:01 AM

You have to like George Strait...

She does a good job on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAS2XWiPm1k

She writes almost all her own stuff. She is the real thing. Carrie Underwood is not, IMHO.

cmac2012 06-08-2010 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Drezell (Post 2482413)
Glad you sorta relate...because...I was afraid I was about to be ambushed and killed.

I'll be amused to hear you sing that...can you hit the notes like she does? "CaliFORnia" Hahaha.

This is turning into a type of thread that should go into the the "video" section of peachparts! Haha.

No way do I take this stuff THAT seriously. I've never really tried "California," the song that is. I just now tried and if I sing in a lower key I can sorta hit that note but I don't think the song would work for me that well. The more I try it I'm not sure the song in the OP really will either but if I get it down the next Taylor Swift look-a-like wannabe I run into will maybe ask me to be her partner, and I'll say no more on that. :cool:

The second link was a medley of two songs, it's the second one, "Blue Boy" that I used to sing. The second verse is pretty cool.

I was looking for more stuff and found this duet between her and James Taylor on a neat song of his I used to do. Good harmony mostly, she got a bit adventurous towards the end. Oh well, it's easy to do, take a risk that doesn't quite work out that is. Really good harmony takes some serious work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rabauXCtqxc&feature=related

cmac2012 06-09-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mpolli (Post 2482532)
You have to like George Strait...

She does a good job on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAS2XWiPm1k

She writes almost all her own stuff. She is the real thing. Carrie Underwood is not, IMHO.

Carrie Underwood doesn't do much for me either. I like Swift's energy, man, a lot better. She seems to be highly driven and from a young age. I've read some remarks about her only being where she is onna account of her rich daddy, and while her family did seem to make sacrifices for her career, even moving to Nashville while she was in her teens, that alone is no guarantee.

That is a good Strait tune - I like some of the newer country. One thing that bugs me with so much of the new country, and TS does it eary on in this song, is that little gravely voice affect that she throws in before the word "I", sort of starting off low and jumping up to the note that is wanted. It's just way overdone in country.

okyoureabeast 06-09-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BodhiBenz1987 (Post 2481854)
I actually hesitate to call Gaga "pop" ... yes, she is popular, but she definitely goes her own way. She isn't the same kind of "pop" as Justin Beiber or Adam Lambert, in other words. Like I said, I'm not a huge GaGa fan, but she's an intriguing and talented musician, and is a refreshing change from most of what's on the radio. You know what I love (random) ... the way British people say "Lady Gaga" ... "GarGar."

cmac, Chris Isaac has a great voice ... I'd never heard that song though and didn't know he could go that high! I wonder what his actual range is?


Definitely agree, but most music was once pop music so Lady Gaga does fall into her own category.

She is a lot of fun to listen to and her concerts are entertaining to say the least.

The brits are all over the place with their Queen's English so who knows what they are really trying to say :P

Chris Bell 06-10-2010 12:11 AM

I've heard several tunes from Taylor Swift, wife's a fan, I was'nt that moved. It's not that I dislike it, I just didn't like it too much. Sounds like so much other corporate nashville country music. If you get the chance give a listen to Alison Krause and Union Station, more bluegrass as opposed to country but definitely worth hearing, at least give it a try. If that doesn't work for ya...there's always Patsy.

cmac2012 06-10-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell (Post 2483901)
I've heard several tunes from Taylor Swift, wife's a fan, I was'nt that moved. It's not that I dislike it, I just didn't like it too much. Sounds like so much other corporate nashville country music. If you get the chance give a listen to Alison Krause and Union Station, more bluegrass as opposed to country but definitely worth hearing, at least give it a try. If that doesn't work for ya...there's always Patsy.

The more I listen to Swift, the more she's sounding a bit too formulaic and poppy. The song in the OP is fun, the video brings up some high school nostalgia but she's no Emmylou Harris, not yet anyway.

Alison Krause is good, she's been on Prairie Home Companion at least once that I know of. They have some good bluegrass acts on that show - one young band, Nickle Creek, has been on several times and they're pretty good.

Speaking of Emmylou, this has been a favorite of mine for a long time:

Boulder to Birmingham

Another good one I used to do, Emmylou with the late Gram Parsons:

Sin City

PS: embarrassing and trivial, but back in post #8 I originally wrote '96 when I meant to write '06. No, I'm not getting old or anything. :o


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