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aklim 07-09-2010 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2502201)
The quote the newsies are so wrung up about is a couple of years old....no story....


oh have you ever heard some of the quotes fom the Generals of WWII?

to whit:

Admitral William "Bull" Halsey: “"Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill more Japs!'”

General Curtis Lemay: "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting"

General George Patton: "Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood."

Get the picture?
Back then, Halsey could even say that the only place they would be speaking Japanese is in hell at the end of the war or so he has been quoted. Today, if you said the same thing, you'd be in trouble. Times change. Way back when, me sleeping with a 12 yo is fine. Today, not so good. Times change.

Craig 07-09-2010 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2502225)
Oh, lets see. Wreck a guys career and make a story for myself or keep quiet and let him keep his job. Tough choices. I think I'll go for door #1. :D
I'm not saying it's right, but if he becomes a distraction he will be thrown under the bus. It depends if the other news outlets pick up on the story and try to tie it together with the previous story.

Local2ED 07-09-2010 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2502225)
Oh, lets see. Wreck a guys career and make a story for myself or keep quiet and let him keep his job. Tough choices. I think I'll go for door #1. :D
Big suprise.

aklim 07-09-2010 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2502233)
I'm not saying it's right, but if he becomes a distraction he will be thrown under the bus. It depends if the other news outlets pick up on the story and try to tie it together with the previous story.
Right has nothing to do with it. People are thrown under the bus on a daily basis when it gets inconvenient. I know the company I worked for would fire me in a heartbeat when things go south and therefore, when things look better, I move.

aklim 07-09-2010 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Local2ED (Post 2502236)
Big suprise.
If you expect more from people, you will be disappointed more often than not. I learned that lesson a long time ago. Lowered expectations, less disappointments.

Craig 07-09-2010 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2502201)
Admitral William "Bull" Halsey: “"Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill more Japs!'”

General Curtis Lemay: "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting"

General George Patton: "Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood."

Get the picture?
1. This isn't WW2, this is a political mission being carried out by the military (which is a whole different conversation).

2. It's not 1945, even 1960s TV shows used language that no-one would use in public today.

3. I doubt any of those officers would be successful in the current military, Patton probably wouldn't make it through the psychological screening.

Txjake 07-09-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2502246)
3. I doubt any of those officers would be successful in the current military, Patton probably wouldn't make it through the psychological screening.
And what a loss that would be..

Pooka 07-09-2010 09:44 PM
I can't fine the quote right now, but LeMay, when he was in charge of the 8th Air Force in England, saw a sign that said something like 'The Mission of the 8th Air Force is to.....' and then there was a long sentence about destroying this and that and bringing freedom to Europe and some other stuff.

He has the sign changed to 'The Mission of the 8th Air Force is to Kill Germans'.

He wanted everyone to know that if they did that the war would be over and all the other stuff would eventually fall into place.

Txjake 07-09-2010 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pooka (Post 2502389)
I can't fine the quote right now, but LeMay, when he was in charge of the 8th Air Force in England, saw a sign that said something like 'The Mission of the 8th Air Force is to.....' and then there was a long sentence about destroying this and that and bringing freedom to Europe and some other stuff.

He has the sign changed to 'The Mission of the 8th Air Force is to Kill Germans'.

He wanted everyone to know that if they did that the war would be over and all the other stuff would eventually fall into place.
Much better way to put it when you are trying to WIN a war.....if only, if only...:(

Craig 07-09-2010 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2502437)
Much better way to put it when you are trying to WIN a war.....if only, if only...:(
Yup, we all miss the good old days when the US had clear enemies with a government, a military, uniforms, flags, and everything. Sorry, but this isn't you grandfather's "war."

davidmash 07-09-2010 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 450slcguy (Post 2502198)
Sounds good to me. Why the women in that culture put up with that abuse is beyond my reasoning. Act like a vicious animal and you deserve to die like one.
Probably the reason any abused woman stays in an abusive relationship. They do not feel they have any place else to go. Then toss in low self esteem, no financial history, economic dependence, little protection by law enforcement and you get close to your answer.

Txjake 07-09-2010 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2502445)
Yup, we all miss the good old days when the US had clear enemies with a government, a military, uniforms, flags, and everything. Sorry, but this isn't you grandfather's "war."
umm, that would have been my dad's war, without quotes around it. I have been part of the new war fighting...it is different, but the objective is always the same: WIN.....

your lack of understanding of even the most basic military concept is staggering..:confused:

Craig 07-09-2010 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2502453)
umm, that would have been my dad's war, without quotes around it. I have been part of the new war fighting...it is different, but the objective is always the same: WIN.....

your lack of understanding of even the most basic military concept is staggering..:confused:
The point is that this is not a military issue. This is a political issue that happens to be using the military as one tool. Whether or not the military is the best tool for this particular issue is an open question. The military's only "objective" is to do exactly what the civilian leadership orders them to do; no more, no less. I think I understand that concept better than some of the current military leadership.


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