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Pavka007 07-12-2010 08:34 AM

The Swiss let Polanski free
 
They let him go free::eek:

Authorities in Switzerland have decided not to extradite film director Roman Polanski to the US to face sentencing for a case dating back to 1977.
Polanski, 76, has been under house arrest in his Swiss chalet since December 2009 pending the decision.
He is wanted in the US over a conviction for unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl.
The Swiss Justice Minister said the "measures of restriction on his liberty have been lifted."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10601930.stm

elchivito 07-12-2010 11:40 AM

under house arrest in a swiss chalet...poor bastard, how cruel does it get?

Pavka007 07-12-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 2503840)
under house arrest in a swiss chalet...poor bastard, how cruel does it get?

No, he is free to go..period.
"The freedom-restricting measures against him have been revoked."
He can go home to France any time he wants.

elchivito 07-12-2010 12:41 PM

Uh yeah, I got that.

Jim B. 07-12-2010 01:25 PM

So far as the DOJ is concerned he is STILL on the run - right?
 
QUICK!


Could I borrow one of Hattie's guns and go to Zurich on Lufthansa first class, having been hired as the U.S. bounty hunter who goes and grabs the old SOB and brings him back to LA to Court??


At * HIS * age he can't run much faster than ME!!! :D



ALSO, I AM CALLING FOR AN IMMEDIATE BOYCOTT OF SWISS CHEESE !!!! :mad:

Craig 07-12-2010 01:35 PM

If this was some unknown guy wanted on 30 year old charges, no-one would care.

suginami 07-12-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2503930)
If this was some unknown guy wanted on 30 year old charges, no-one would care.

Maybe not...from what I read about the case, the girl was 13 years old, and was going to have regular intercouse with her, but after discovering that he didn't have a condom, he raped her anally.

Craig 07-12-2010 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by suginami (Post 2504163)
Maybe not...from what I read about the case, the girl was 13 years old, and was going to have regular intercouse with her, but after discovering that he didn't have a condom, he raped her anally.

I'm not defending him, just saying it wouldn't be a news story if he wasn't famous. I've also seen his victim interviewed recently.

PaulC 07-12-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 2503923)
QUICK!


Could I borrow one of Hattie's guns and go to Zurich on Lufthansa first class, having been hired as the U.S. bounty hunter who goes and grabs the old SOB and brings him back to LA to Court??

Jim B. the Bounty Hunter? Perhaps, but first let's see how you look with a blond mullet.

Pooka 07-12-2010 09:31 PM

The Swiss appear to be tired of working on this case. They claim that since the US never answered his defense attorneys contention that Roman had already served his time before leaving the US the US did not have a case.

I don't know what really took place, but I think the Swiss just got fed up with being caught in the middle of this and put into place a legal dodge that let Roman go back to Paris.

I think they would be happy for him to go anywhere just so long as this is no longer their problem. The warrant is still out on him, so the US has not given up.

Pooka 07-12-2010 09:33 PM

First class on Lufthansa from LA to Prague is about $14,500 round-trip.

But it is a very nice trip!

cmac2012 07-13-2010 04:07 AM

Yet another sign that the world no longer fears us. We are doomed.

Bondavi 07-13-2010 04:51 AM

Gawd, the DOJ can't even get immigration and the Black Panthers' right. A 35 year old case is of little consequence to the U.S. relatively speaking.

To the news outlets: Next!

C Sean Watts 07-13-2010 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2503930)
If this was some unknown guy wanted on 30 year old charges, no-one would care.

Not 'wanted' but actually tried and convicted, THEN fled the country just prior to sentencing.

layback40 07-13-2010 08:46 AM

If you have the $$$ you can get away with just about anything !!
If he had been convicted, how come he was out & about so he could leave?

Craig 07-13-2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by C Sean Watts (Post 2504461)
Not 'wanted' but actually tried and convicted, THEN fled the country just prior to sentencing.

That is not unique, if it was you or I they would have forgotten about it long ago.

SwampYankee 07-13-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suginami (Post 2504163)
Maybe not...from what I read about the case, the girl was 13 years old, and was going to have regular intercouse with her, but after discovering that he didn't have a condom, he raped her anally.

All we can hope for at this point is for karma to kick in.

Craig 07-13-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee (Post 2504498)
All we can hope for at this point is for karma to kick in.

I think this guy has already had his share of bad karma, most of it prior to this case.

HuskyMan 07-13-2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2504501)
I think this guy has already had his share of bad karma, most of it prior to this case.

that is exactly it. Charlie Manson inflicted damage to Polanski for which there is no resolution. and, to further rub salt into Polanski's wounds, Charlie is still watching Cable TV and catching three squares a day. the shock of not only having one's family brutally murdered, but then knowing the culprits are still breathing will upset anyone's apple cart.

he obviously suffers from post traumatic stress which may have caused him to do things he otherwise would not normally do. as a result of being victimized twice, once by Charlie Mason, and second by watching the system give Charlie Cable TV and three squares a day, he has suffered permanent damage.

in addition, there is a LOT MORE to the story behind the 13 year old girl. her mother liked putting her daughter in situations with the hollywood crowd in hopes of obtaining fame and fortune.

BobK 07-13-2010 01:46 PM

Makes no difference what the mother did. Mother did not hold a gun to his head and make him molest her daughter. That crime is all on him and he has yet to serve his time for it. The fact that Manson was not roasting in hades a long time ago is on another group of people.

Craig 07-13-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobK (Post 2504613)
Makes no difference what the mother did. Mother did not hold a gun to his head and make him molest her daughter. That crime is all on him and he has yet to serve his time for it. The fact that Manson was not roasting in hades a long time ago is on another group of people.

True, but he's not about to turn himself in or allow himself to be turned over to US authorities. At this point, the US government has better things to worry about, and his victim is not interested in pursuing it either. Time to move on.

BobK 07-13-2010 03:08 PM

If we don't pursue all of them, we have no right to pursue any of them.

HuskyMan 07-13-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobK (Post 2504613)
Makes no difference what the mother did. Mother did not hold a gun to his head and make him molest her daughter. That crime is all on him and he has yet to serve his time for it. The fact that Manson was not roasting in hades a long time ago is on another group of people.

the 13 year old girl would NEVER have been at the hollywood hot tub party had her mother not encouraged her to go hang out with grown men. Mothers have a responsibility to keep their teenage daughters OUT of harm's way. if the girl had no father in her life, she may have been more susceptible to abuse. most father's of teenage daughters tend to keep their girls on a tight leash and obviously, for good reason.

dynalow 07-13-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2504598)
that is exactly it. Charlie Manson inflicted damage to Polanski for which there is no resolution. and, to further rub salt into Polanski's wounds, Charlie is still watching Cable TV and catching three squares a day. the shock of not only having one's family brutally murdered, but then knowing the culprits are still breathing will upset anyone's apple cart.

he obviously suffers from post traumatic stress which may have caused him to do things he otherwise would not normally do. as a result of being victimized twice, once by Charlie Mason, and second by watching the system give Charlie Cable TV and three squares a day, he has suffered permanent damage.

in addition, there is a LOT MORE to the story behind the 13 year old girl. her mother liked putting her daughter in situations with the hollywood crowd in hopes of obtaining fame and fortune.

Poor Charlie.........:o
Poor Roman.........:o
Maybe some Gunny therapy is in order for poor Roman.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qiQI-zrPvQ

WGAS about those two low lifes. The sooner they get to the end of the life's road the better, imho.
Speaking of this sordid affair, I see that just last week one of the Manson women Leslie Van Houten was denied parole for the umteenth time. Poor thing.

HuskyMan 07-13-2010 04:09 PM

it is easy to throw rocks when you have never walked in another man's shoes.

for instance, I recently heard a story about a veteran who recently returned from Iraq. some nights he has nightmares and grabs his rifle and beats his wife with the rifle.

of course, we can all rest easy knowing his war time experiences had absolutely nothing to do with his current erratic behavior. according to some people, we should hold him to the same standards as everyone else, i.e. charge him with assault, etc etc.

knowing this, his family has to pray and hope that he will maintain some civility while they attempt to get the VA to provide him with psychological counseling. otherwise, he will end up in jail.

the system is working.

dynalow 07-13-2010 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2504716)
it is easy to throw rocks when you have never walked in another man's shoes..................

the system is working.


You're absolutely right. I have never walked in someone's shoes and gone "through the back" of a 13 yr old girl........... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

.......or murdered a house full of people.



Mary Kay Letourneau boffed a 12 year old. She did hard time. Twice. Now there is a troubled soul in need of who knows what.
http://crime.about.com/od/history/p/Letourneau.htm

Giving champagne and qualudes to a 13 yr old before raping her is indefensibe. I think Polanski deserves jail....or whatever sentence the CA courts would impose after all these years.
Or stoning.

Craig 07-13-2010 05:28 PM

...and I think OJ should be in jail too, but we all understand how the system works.

450slcguy 07-13-2010 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2504716)

for instance, I recently heard a story about a veteran who recently returned from Iraq. some nights he has nightmares and grabs his rifle and beats his wife with the rifle.

Wouldn't it be common sense to get rid of the rifle? If this has happened multiple times, I would think the guy would voluntarily surrender the weapon after the first attack.

If I were his spouse, it would be the weapon or me.

kerry 07-13-2010 05:37 PM

So the US is happy to let Cardinal Law, arguably complicit in a criminal conspiracy to cover up multiple child rapes, move to the Vatican, where he is beyond the reach of US law, yet is still chasing after Mr. Polanski? Something awry there.

Craig 07-13-2010 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2504804)
So the US is happy to let Cardinal Law, arguably complicit in a criminal conspiracy to cover up multiple child rapes, move to the Vatican, where he is beyond the reach of US law, yet is still chasing after Mr. Polanski? Something awry there.

Just about anyone with significant money in the bank is "beyond the reach of US law."

HuskyMan 07-13-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dynalow (Post 2504789)
You're absolutely right. I have never walked in someone's shoes and gone "through the back" of a 13 yr old girl........... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

.......or murdered a house full of people.



Mary Kay Letourneau boffed a 12 year old. She did hard time. Twice. Now there is a troubled soul in need of who knows what.
http://crime.about.com/od/history/p/Letourneau.htm

Giving champagne and qualudes to a 13 yr old before raping her is indefensibe. I think Polanski deserves jail....or whatever sentence the CA courts would impose after all these years.
Or stoning.

Charlie Manson's assault on Polanski's family resulted in post traumatic stress. in these cases, the victim (Roman) needed some serious counseling. in many of these cases, the victim may exhibit unorthodox or (in this case) even illegal behavior. having one's family murdered may result in a state of severe psychological shock which may result in out of whack behavior.

Is Roman a sexual predator? was he acting out as a result of the earlier trauma he had experienced?

most likely the answer is yes to both questions. I've seen people do and say things as a result of severe trauma that defies description. they usually never completely recover, either.

HuskyMan 07-13-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 450slcguy (Post 2504803)
Wouldn't it be common sense to get rid of the rifle? If this has happened multiple times, I would think the guy would voluntarily surrender the weapon after the first attack.

If I were his spouse, it would be the weapon or me.

you are correct, it would make sense for him to surrender the rifle. since I heard the story second hand, I do not know for sure what happened, but there are other veterans that I have met and known personally that are dealing with psychological issues. war can be traumatizing, and I think they deserve much better medical and mental health care than they usually receive.

and, as you pointed out, there have been many marriage break ups over these types of issues. it's a sad story.

They deserve our support to help bring them back to a normal civilian life.

dynalow 07-13-2010 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 2504814)
Charlie Manson's assault on Polanski's family resulted in post traumatic stress. in these cases, the victim (Roman) needed some serious counseling. in many of these cases, the victim may exhibit unorthodox or (in this case) even illegal behavior. having one's family murdered may result in a state of severe psychological shock which may result in out of whack behavior.

Is Roman a sexual predator? was he acting out as a result of the earlier trauma he had experienced?

most likely the answer is yes to both questions. I've seen people do and say things as a result of severe trauma that defies description. they usually never completely recover, either.

Back in the 60's, long before this happened, I knew a family member of one of the victims. We lived together briefly. As far as I know, this particular "victim" as you call them, never raped anyone. (I concede that I have no way of knowing how this "victim" coped with the murder of a close family member.) As a matter of fact, by what I can judge from afar, this person has led a productive and purposeful life helping others. No "victim" was this person.

BobK 07-14-2010 07:58 AM

HuskyMan:
you are right. Roman is suffering from some sort of stress disorder that causes him to have sex with underage women. He was involved with Nastassja Kinski when she was 15. Since he seems unable to control these urges due to his disorder, I suggest we protect society from him by placing him in an institution where he can be properly cared for and treated-forever.
He sure acts like a predator of young women. I don't give a rat's @ss why he does it. He was tried and convicted and he should have gone to jail.

HuskyMan 07-14-2010 08:40 AM

for some, jail may be preferred to being housed in a mental ward.


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