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panZZer · #1 08-06-2010, 04:10 PM

Israel and the west bank. Do you call yourself christian and support the Israli's persecuting the Palestinians.

#2 08-06-2010, 04:13 PM

I don't call myself a christian, and it don't have any real stake in the politics of that region. No one in the area is innocent, and that conflict isn't going to end anytime soon.

JollyRoger · #3 08-06-2010, 04:25 PM

I'm a realist in the situation. The Israelis have become a Jewish flavor of Nazi. They maintain a militarized racial state, they take what they need from their neighbors, and they have subjected an undermenschen class in Gaza, all things that would make any old Nazi proud. That being said, they also happen to occupy one of the most strategic pieces of real estate on the planet, and they are so deeply in our pockets, that if it were necessary for us to marshal a one million man army there for an invasion of Iran, the would allow our armies to land, gladly. For the US, it's one huge military base pointed like a dagger at the world. We need them, they need us.

panZZer · #4 08-06-2010, 04:25 PM

Um Yea, Been watching the suppressd kids throwing rocks at the green G wagens and before, ever since I can remember.

JollyRoger · #5 08-06-2010, 04:27 PM

Hey, I'm not saying Israel doesn't have real enemies, but by jeebus, they sure have earned them.

panZZer · #6 08-06-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

I'm a realist in the situation. The Israelis have become a Jewish flavor of Nazi. They maintain a militarized racial state, they take what they need from their neighbors, and they have subjected an undermenschen class in Gaza, all things that would make any old Nazi proud. That being said, they also happen to occupy one of the most strategic pieces of real estate on the planet, and they are so deeply in our pockets, that if it were necessary for us to marshal a one million man army there for an invasion of Iran, the would allow our armies to land, gladly. For the US, it's one huge military base pointed like a dagger at the world. We need them, they need us.

Yes my point of view as an agnostic--If anyone knows it's NOT ok to try and sqweeze another people off the face of the earth--Its the jews in Israel. But im baiting so called Christians here.

Billybob · #7 08-06-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Israel and the west bank. Do you call yourself christian and support the Israli's persecuting the Palestinians.

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Yes my point of view as an agnostic--If anyone knows it's NOT ok to try and sqweeze another people off the face of the earth--Its the jews in Israel. But im baiting so called Christians here.

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panZZer · #8 08-06-2010, 04:44 PM

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Yea, Uh im new to this kinda game like yours Bob, do You send money to help relocate jews to settlements in the west bank?

JollyRoger · #9 08-06-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Yes my point of view as an agnostic--If anyone knows it's NOT ok to try and sqweeze another people off the face of the earth--Its the jews in Israel. But im baiting so called Christians here.

Oh, a worthy endeavor. I'll try to move out of the way....

panZZer · #10 08-06-2010, 04:48 PM

Dont get me wrong pirate, I dont like to sit around looking for things to be angry about. And I dont understand how ANYONE could thing doing that can put them in a good place, I just try to figure whats going on in some peoples heads.

LUVMBDiesels · #11 08-06-2010, 05:10 PM

If you go back to 1948 the first blows were cast by the Arabs.
The 1967 war and the 1973 wars were also started by them.
I am not saying Israel is innocent, but they have been the target here.
Now you have a small group of people in the Palestinian masses who will never accept the peace accords, but who want every Jew exterminated.
Unless the Palestinian people rise up against HAMAS and show that they are going to respect the other humans in the area you will never have peace.

The Israelis have actually acted with a lot of restraint. If the situation was reversed every last Jew would have been killed by now. I do not know of any other group or nation who has divided their country up so that a hostile people can have their own territory.

Also calling a Jew a NAZI is amazing.

I am neither Jewish or a Christian - but I see their side of the story.

They had just survived the decimation of their population at the hands of a true monster, were given a slice of land to call their own, which as soon as they were given independence was invaded by four hostile nations and had to fight for their very survival - I am sorry but that would give any people a bunker mentality. Add the two additional wars and the constant incursions from Lebanon and you have a people who always know where the nearest shelter is.

And the poor Palestinians are not blameless - how many rockets are launched from Gaza on an weekly basis?

Here is my thought.
You have to send in a real multinational force - with teeth - to separate both sides. End the settlements and the rocket attacks
Let each side breathe and calm down

Face it, Palestine will never be a viable state on its own so I say create a new Federal Republic out of both countries that guarantees both religion's rights.

Of course I am dreaming here...

panZZer · #12 08-06-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

If you go back to 1948 the first blows were cast by the Arabs.
The 1967 war and the 1973 wars were also started by them.
I am not saying Israel is innocent, but they have been the target here.
Now you have a small group of people in the Palestinian masses who will never accept the peace accords, but who want every Jew exterminated.
Unless the Palestinian people rise up against HAMAS and show that they are going to respect the other humans in the area you will never have peace.

The Israelis have actually acted with a lot of restraint. If the situation was reversed every last Jew would have been killed by now. I do not know of any other group or nation who has divided their country up so that a hostile people can have their own territory.

Also calling a Jew a NAZI is amazing.

I am neither Jewish or a Christian - but I see their side of the story.

They had just survived the decimation of their population at the hands of a true monster, were given a slice of land to call their own, which as soon as they were given independence was invaded by four hostile nations and had to fight for their very survival - I am sorry but that would give any people a bunker mentality. Add the two additional wars and the constant incursions from Lebanon and you have a people who always know where the nearest shelter is.

And the poor Palestinians are not blameless - how many rockets are launched from Gaza on an weekly basis?

Here is my thought.
You have to send in a real multinational force - with teeth - to separate both sides. End the settlements and the rocket attacks
Let each side breathe and calm down

Face it, Palestine will never be a viable state on its own so I say create a new Federal Republic out of both countries that guarantees both religion's rights.

Of course I am dreaming here...

So how much of the palestinians west bank is ok for them to take/and displace people--and where are they supposed to go? Just some, Most, or just enought ? Oh- you are not a christian.

PaulC · #13 08-06-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

Yes my point of view as an agnostic--If anyone knows it's NOT ok to try and sqweeze another people off the face of the earth--Its the jews in Israel. But im baiting so called Christians here.

A little tip from a master baiter: If you tell the intended target that you are baiting them, they tend to resist rising to the bait...delete the thread, wait a few weeks until everyone forgets (they will, given your pallid writing abilities) and then just sort of meander into the issue.

Regards,

PaulC

panZZer · #14 08-06-2010, 05:27 PM

Like I said I'm new so this aint refined--just crude and honest.

We believe that the Jewish people have a right to live in their ancient land of Israel, and that the modern State of Israel is the fulfillment of this historic right.
We maintain that there is no excuse for acts of terrorism against Israel and that Israel has the same right as every other nation to defend her citizens from such violent attacks.

We pledge to stand with our brothers and sisters in Israel and to speak out on their behalf whenever and wherever necessary until the attacks stop and they are finally living in peace and security with their neighbors.
So what's up with this

LUVMBDiesels · #15 08-06-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

A little tip from a master baiter: If you tell the intended target that you are baiting them, they tend to resist rising to the bait...delete the thread, wait a few weeks until everyone forgets (they will, given your pallid writing abilities) and then just sort of meander into the issue.

Regards,

PaulC

LOL!