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Old 08-14-2010, 01:00 PM
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New mosque in the shadow of WTC

I have been pretty neutral, and often supportive, regarding Obama's words and actions, but this definitely leaves me cold.

Ground zero mosque

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Its not about "tolerance"; it is Muslim tradition to erect Mosques at places of victory over the infidel.
Muslims need to learn about tolerance, too.
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Old 08-14-2010, 01:10 PM
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Yeah, this is pretty controversial.

Consider this, the mosque is going to be built on private property 2 blocks away from ground zero. The problem with trying to prevent the mosque from being built so close is that you have to grant and support the government's control of private property. Republicans hate government, so this is a bit of a double edged sword.

Who knows, always two sides to an argument. We shall see who wins this one. With Obama's stance on the situation, my guess is that the mosque will be built at that location.
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While Obama and others may be quite right in that legally and on the principle of religious freedom they have every right to build a mosque in that location, at the same time considering what the residents of NYC went thru on 9/11, to say that it would be incredibly insensitive and bordering on callous disregard towards the feelings of the residents to build it at that location, would be a tremendous understatement.
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What denomination of Islam is it?
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Perhaps when it is built there, holy warriors of a kind other than those who flew the planes into the WTC will destroy the mosque where it stands......

We are plucking feathers from the tail of the eagle and giving them to our enemy in order for him the fletch his arrows.......
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What denomination of Islam is it?
Who are we to worry about pesky details like that?
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Old 08-14-2010, 05:03 PM
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I have been pretty neutral, and often supportive, regarding Obama's words and actions, but this definitely leaves me cold.

Ground zero mosque
Do you disagree with what Obama said? Is it really controversial that they should be permitted to build their community center because it includes a religious component?
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Its not about "tolerance"; it is Muslim tradition to erect Mosques at places of victory over the infidel...
That's what Newt said and, as usual, his "history" was less than perfect. http://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2010/08/professor-newts-distorted-history.html
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Do you disagree with what Obama said? Is it really controversial that they should be permitted to build their community center because it includes a religious component?
It is controversial because of the proximity of the relgious component to the WTC sneak attack ground zero site, but you knew that.......
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That's what Newt said and, as usual, his "history" was less than perfect. http://gotmedieval.blogspot.com/2010/08/professor-newts-distorted-history.html
Many of the respondents to the blog you posted disagreed with the slant of the blog, and your interpretation as well. It seems not to be as simple as wish to make it appear. Why is that?
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It is controversial because of the proximity of the relgious component to the WTC sneak attack ground zero site, but you knew that.......
Their proximity to WTC means that they might not be permitted to build their mosque? I guarantee that I did not know that. Their decision to build there is controversial, but I have yet to see anyone explain why their constitutional rights are affected by their proximity to WTC.
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Many of the respondents to the blog you posted disagreed with the slant of the blog, and your interpretation as well. It seems not to be as simple as wish to make it appear. Why is that?
I assume you meant to have a "you" (meaning me) in that last sentence.

What did I say that makes you think I want to make it appear simple? These issues are anything but simple, at least to me. You and Newt are the ones making the simple, declarative statement that muslims build mosques at places of victory over the infidel. So far, I have seen no credible historical analysis to back up that clear, simple statement. I also have not seen anyone tie the current mosque plans to any such historical muslim custom. So far, all you have is Newt, and that ain't much.

You and Newt might be right. I just haven't seen the evidence.
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Their proximity to WTC means that they might not be permitted to build their mosque? I guarantee that I did not know that. Their decision to build there is controversial, but I have yet to see anyone explain why their constitutional rights are affected by their proximity to WTC.
I have the constitutional rights to do many things, some of which may offend and anger others. however, I should have the good taste and common sense not to do that. It is not about the right to build this edifice there, but the message that it sends. Like it or not, it is like poking at the freshly healing wound of a person you injured. Muslims flew those planes into the towers, Muslims account for the terrorists slaughtering people around the world, and now Muslims want to build a huge religious site in close proximity to an area they caused to be razed.

Sort of like the KKK wanting to build their headquarters next to the MLK Musuem, or Nazi groups demanding equal time at the Holocaust Museum. The WTC site is a shrine to the fallen and a symbol or America's awakening to the cancer of islamic terrorism. This "cultural center" is strictly an affront to that and nothing more. Even the name alludes to that.....
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I have the constitutional rights to do many things, some of which may offend and anger others. It is not about the right to build this edifice there, but the message that it sends. Like it or not, it is like poking at th efreshly healing wound of a person you injured. Muslims flew those planes into the towers, Muslims account for the terrorists slaughtering people around the world, and now Muslims want to build a huge religious site in close proximity to an area they caused to be razed.
Right. Which part of Obama's statement disagrees with anything you just said?
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Sort of like the KKK wanting to build their headquarters next to the MLK Musuem, or Nazi groups demanding equal time at the Holocaust Museum.
Bogus comparison, IMHO.
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...This site is strictly an affront to that and nothing more...
Says who? Newt Gingrich? Nobody involved with the project has said any such thing, unless I missed it.


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