Of course, the same could be said about almost any politician of any party. If they talk long enough, there will be a gaff of some sort.

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I think that was easily proven during the 8 years of emperor Bush Jr. And even still, EVERYTHING can be spun out of context which is why I ALWAYS look for the original un-edited video of anything like this.

And if the source is an e-mail send to you and 300 other people? I would hate to say I would rather take Fox news over it as a reliable source.

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I agree with "almost any." There are plenty of good ones up there, but they don't seem to make it into leadership positions.

One guy I really like is Bob Graham, former Senator from Florida. Every time I hear him talk he makes sense. Now, there's the little issue about his daily diary in which he rights every thing that happens during the day, down to the color of his socks, I think. I think that alone is weird enough to disqualify him from ever getting elected president, but it's a harmless kind of weirdness.

Some context here, and a lesson in fundraising political style....

About 20 years ago or so a small group of vets wanted the Military to build a Vet Cemetery in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. After finding the right branch of the government to do this they found out they would need to raise all of the money for this project. The government would run the place after they had developed it, but no funds were available.

So they went to the city of Grand Prairie, Texas, which is right between Dallas and Fort Worth and talked to one of the city council members about getting a fundraising drive going. All of the members of this group, which was just a few guys, lived in this town.

Now a new lake had just been built south of town, Joe Pool Lake, and there is a piece of prime real estate there known as the Peninsula. The land was owned by the Corp of Engineers but administered by the city and was the site of much speculation as to its' use.

The Counselor, whose name I do not remember, told the group they needed money and he knew how to get it....

The Counselor started making speeches about what a great place the land on the lake would be for the Vets and how it was almost a done deal. Developers freaked out and came forth with all kinds of money to entice the Vet group to look elsewhere, and all the newspapers ran stories on what these guys were trying to do. They set up a non-profit and started fundraising for real using the funds from the developers as start up money. (This gambit was reported on by the Grand Prairie Daily News, which no longer exists, at the time.)

It took many years, but the Vet group finally turned their cemetery over to the Feds and it is an outstanding place of beauty that is located on a hillside overlooking Mountain Creek Lake. I think Dallas Power and Light sold them the land that the utility had purchased sometime in the 1930's and had finally decided they were never going to use it. The cemetery is bordered by a college campus, a major highway, a lake, and way across a small street the power company.

Now, back to the Mosque....

It has come to light that the builders of this Mosque have less than $20,000 on hand and are trying to raise $100,000,000 to build it. They don't even have a current option on the land and are trying to raise funds. But... How to get the word out?

Cue the Republican Party in to what's going on! That would get Fox news going on it, anyway.

So far there is no word on if they have been approached by 'developers' to put the Culture Center someplace else, but it is early yet. Have you heard the cry from Fox that the Center should be put somewhere else? It is almost as if someone is writing the script for them.

Karl Rove coined a term for people that will go crazy over an issue and drum up publicity for it even when they are not affected by it. He called them 'Useful Idiots'. Could the builders of the Culture Center be following the teachings of Rove?

Stay Tuned!

hmmmmm...... Karl Rove a closet muslim...... we may be on the cutting edge of a new rumor....

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Ummm,
"Useful idiots" far predates the hated Mr. Rove.
It is the term used by Soviet agents to describe a type of US citizen that was helping the Soviet cause but were blind to the fact that everything was being directed by Moscow.

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I guess that would explain why Rove liked the term so much.

I must admit the Russkie origin sounds more real. It also sounds like a term they would use after it was translated into English.

Another term that I think applies here go back even further. 'Playing them like a fiddle' is what the 'builders' of the Culture Center are doing to the Republicans.

Kark Rove? Indeed! Stop drinking the Hater-Aid!

Pooki-T call home, your village is worried and misses you!

I watched about 30 seconds of Sean Hannity's show last night. His guest was Karl Rove. They were going off on Pelosi's stupid comment. On this issue they probably have the upper hand, I didn't stick around to listen. The main thing that jumped out at me was how two completely revolting human beings became so influential. Rove's time may have passed him by (we can only hope), but he has already left his mark. It makes me wonder what I am missing. Why are people attracted to nasty people like Rove and Hannity?

Billy Bob...

How odd that you ignore my comments on what appears to really be going on in NY and pick out the part where I spoke of Rove.

I know people who have worked with Rove and they do not say kind things about him. But they do say he knows what he is doing when it comes to pulling the wool over people's eyes and distorting the truth. Check out the 'push-poll' he came up with to knock McCain off the Presidential ballot in 2004. It was the biggest pack of lies many folks have ever seen, but it did get Bush re-elected and that was what Rove was hired to do.

By the way, try not to get on Rove's bad side. He is said to have a volcanic temper and it takes very little to set him off. I have seen him go off on a reporter who could not stop laughing at what Rove was saying because it was so, well, idiotic.

That the 'developers' of this Culture Center seem to be using the same tactics as Rove is a compliment to his style of doing things. And you call that 'hate'? I call it learning from the Master.

As to the second comment you made... There is a village that is missing its' idiot. That village is Crawford, Texas, where Bush has not been seen for many months now. People there are wondering if he really was into the whole 'Ranch' thing or if it was just for show. There are even stories going around that the place is for sale.

I get down that way now and then and know people in the Waco area. Most of them are glad he is not coming around anymore as he tended to shut down traffic when he did. This was, of course, necessary but that did not make it any easier to take.

The part I find so funny about all of this is that the Republicans pride themselves on playing others for fools and this time they themselves appear to be the ones being played. As long as they keep the hate level up there is the hope that someone will come along and offer bundles of cash for the 'developers' to leave town.

I bet that someone will be a Republican, too, as a fool and his money are soon parted.

Her Botoxness better get busy investigating Harry Reid and Howard Dean.

They have both spoken out against the WTC mosque. Karl Rove probably made them both do it.

She better do it quick too. She's probably not gonna be around much after the election.

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Odd you find it? I find that odd actually! In your entire post there wasn’t anything factual accept your falsehood about Karl Rove coining a the term “Useful Idiots” “for people that will go crazy over an issue and drum up publicity for it even when they are not affected by it”. I know that to be factually incorrect and said so, as have others.

What in your mind “appears to really be going on in NY” is simply nothing more than that! You’ve offered no supporting evidence to lend credence to what you think. As is your usual modis operandi, you then attempt to reinforce what you choose to believe with some anecdote. Usually “a guy I know”, “Someone who” etc. etc., often times accompanied with some further reinforcing superlative,” Billionaire”, “Joint Chief of Staff”, “who worked with”, again etc. etc.

I’ve had the good fortune to live and work during my life with a large number of people, often groups of men doing serious business and in that time I’ve seen and met more than a few “big dog” guys! Those are the guys who no matter what the conversation is they’ve got, seen, heard a bigger, better dog than anybody else, and they’re pathologically compelled to tell everyone. The most interesting thing about that situation is over a relatively short period of time everyone on the crew figures that out, and even after it gets to the point where the “big dog guy” is repeatedly called out for his BS, and it eventually earns him ridicule, the “big dog guy” never realizes how stupid he sounds, and never can stop himself. Usually it ends up with him getting moved off the crew, quitting or getting **** canned.

The times I’ve been running things I usually get rid of him, because I’m of the opinion it’s a character flaw, which is at the same time a window into that guys psyche and evidence that he’s someone who can’t be counted on or trusted, because it’s his fragile ego that is the greatest concern to him, rather than the task at hand and the others involved in accomplishing that task.

So generally my method is not to engage a “big dog guy” as if his BS is deserving and real, but admittedly in the spirit of good fun, I will sometimes surreptitiously feign interest if only to invite him into telling even more elaborate BS. Anybody else observing such an interaction can see what is happening and usually isn’t disappointed.

Now why don’t you tell us all some more about your special insight on John McCain’s 2004 Presidential Campaign and Karl Roves devilish trickery, you know like “the 'push-poll' he came up with to knock McCain off the Presidential ballot in 2004” that you heard about from then Rove’s most Super Secret Best Buddy who’s now your super special friend! Because none of us know that actually McCain ran in 2000 against Bush for the Republican nomination, and even if we did why that should stop you! Or better yet how about McCain’s dog? No! No! No, what about Karl Roves dog, I’ll bet there’s a vet assistant somewhere that told somebody that you know something!

Its amazing how many people here can't fathom the simple concept that NOBODY IS SAYING IT IS ILLEGAL or not the right of the owners to build the mosque. It is the fact that our country is being poked in the eye by a specific group who thinks our government was behind 9/11 and they won't disavow Hamas.

Would anybody be opposed to the Japanese buying a piece of land adjacent to Pearl Harbor and erect a monument to its pilots who participated in the attack on Dec 7, 1941?

Would anybody be opposed the the KKK buying land and building a recruitment center next to a black church?

Its not about rights, its about stupidity. Would you walk into a group of bikers and tell them to stop smoking in a non-smoking area? It is your right, but you should know what the result will be. Its called being STUPID.

The opponents say it is a political response to a religious plan, of course it is, but the religious plan is a political provocation. When does someone who is provoked not allowed to defend, and the provoker becomes the victim?

And where is the outrage over when the mosque money will come from? Saudi and Iran, seems like a lot of the clowns here like to bash those evil empires. Where are you now?

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gee, you added so much to this topic. thank you.

(i sense an insult coming. )

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Then why were so many people upset with what Obama said last Friday?Nobody attached to this project said that our government was behind 9/11. The main guy behind the mosque said that American policies were an accessory to the crime, or something like that, which is undeniably true.What does that have to do with the group behind this mosque? Who did they attack?The provocation is coming from the opposition, if you ask me.If that's true, how do you know it's a bad thing? Iran gave invaluable cooperation to us after 9/11. They probably did it out of self-interest, but so what? It was just ridiculous that W lumped them into his imaginary Axis of Evil. Why do Americans always assume that Iran has evil intent? I don't think that country is that simple.

Maybe the mosque is a bad idea, but the country's reaction to it is worse. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot, over and over again.