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Old 08-24-2010, 04:05 PM
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Oh yeah' right! When you sniveled:



What you really meant was "all threads with blogs as their source" except when those threads that use blogs as their source which contain edited interviews that support the bloggers editorializing which in the future I may use!

I'm not surprised that you react the way you do, your defect has been exposed by your own words and you are hurt by me bring attention to it.

Calling someone a name you hope will be hurtful is often the only retort of lesser intellect, fortunately I have grown up with a firm belief in the age old axiom "sticks and stones may break my bone, but words will never hurt me".

Guess you are good at taking things out of context as any blogger. The "source" is the interview, regardless of where the portal to that interview exists. The audio stream is unedited.

The thread was intended to be a place to learn more about Rauf. If you have something to add, please feel free. If your only intent is to spar with me, lets do it elsewhere

Hurt? hardly. Amused? absolutely

Sorry if you self applied that last definition. I was actually curious to see how you would spin it, and I am somewhat disappointed in the, dare I say, rather pedestrian reaction. I really have a very high regard for your ability to turn the blade of the attack back upon the attacker... next time I'm sure I will not be let off so easily....

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Old 08-24-2010, 04:23 PM
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If your only intent is to spar with me, lets do it elsewhere

Don't be a tease!
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:43 PM
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Guess you are good at taking things out of context as any blogger. The "source" is the interview, regardless of where the portal to that interview exists. The audio stream is unedited.
Stop being so disingenuous, the “interview” you cite is nothing more than counter-propaganda. The interviewer is the blogger who editorialized the preceding paragraphs. There is no objectivity, Joseph Ward III is a partisan Kumbiya hustler and has made his views known. He has no more credibility than Rush Limbaugh interviewing Sarah Palin on the same matter, get real. For you to cite that interview conducted by a partisan operative which is published on his blog as part of the Mother of all partisan political blogs as being anything but the propaganda that it is ought to be embarrassing.
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:51 PM
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Stop being so disingenuous, the “interview” you cite is nothing more than counter-propaganda. The interviewer is the blogger who editorialized the preceding paragraphs. There is no objectivity, Joseph Ward III is a partisan Kumbiya hustler and has made his views known. He has no more credibility than Rush Limbaugh interviewing Sarah Palin on the same matter, get real. For you to cite that interview conducted by a partisan operative which is published on his blog as part of the Mother of all partisan political blogs as being anything but the propaganda that it is ought to be embarrassing.
Weeellll then..... what about Mr. Beck's opinion?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:00 PM
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The thread was intended to be a place to learn more about Rauf. If you have something to add, please feel free.
Here is some material that is not presented via the liberal apologist enabler class

http://www.unisa.edu.au/hawkecentre/events/2005events/Imam.asp

http://www.unisa.edu.au/hawkecentre/events/2005events/Imam_transcript.asp

this is a lecture that took place in 2005 before Rauf’s intentions regarding Cordoba Club Jihadi Musilm Community Center where known.
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Weeellll then..... what about Mr. Beck's opinion?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, what has been raised in this thread is the hipocracy of someone denouncing "threads with blogs as there sources" and then doing exactly that!

How is Media Matters any more objective than Glenn Beck? You're entitled to your opinion you just aren't entiled to the agrreement by others!
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:09 PM
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Another moderate. Another Time.

Then:

Understanding Ramadan:
The Muslim Month of Fasting

With Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki
Falls Church Dar Al-hijrah Islamic Center



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/01/nation/ramadan_awlaki1119.htm


Now:

Imam’s Path From Condemning Terror to Preaching Jihad


“We came here to build, not to destroy,” the cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, said in a sermon. “We are the bridge between Americans and one billion Muslims worldwide.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/world/09awlaki.html

From a feel good enabler to the CIA's shoot to kill poster boy in 8 short years. What happened?
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:18 PM
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Sorry if you self applied that last definition. I was actually curious to see how you would spin it, and I am somewhat disappointed in the, dare I say, rather pedestrian reaction. I really have a very high regard for your ability to turn the blade of the attack back upon the attacker... next time I'm sure I will not be let off so easily....
Flattery will get you no where!

I’d actually composed what I thought was a rather clever but vicious retort but decided that fully recognizing I don't enjoy the latitude of infraction interpretation that some others do, I'd resist the temptation and simply illuminate the juvenile nature of such a taunt! Different tactic, served the same purpose!
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:53 AM
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Flattery will get you no where!

I’d actually composed what I thought was a rather clever but vicious retort but decided that fully recognizing I don't enjoy the latitude of infraction interpretation that some others do, I'd resist the temptation and simply illuminate the juvenile nature of such a taunt! Different tactic, served the same purpose!
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:00 PM
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Here is some material that is not presented via the liberal apologist enabler class

http://www.unisa.edu.au/hawkecentre/events/2005events/Imam.asp

http://www.unisa.edu.au/hawkecentre/events/2005events/Imam_transcript.asp

this is a lecture that took place in 2005 before Rauf’s intentions regarding Cordoba Club Jihadi Musilm Community Center where known.
And what did you find objectionable about his remarks?? After reading through his comments (thanks for the link) I found nothing that would scare away the "liberal apologist class"
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:02 PM
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couple paragraphs from the links posted above by BB
"The fact of the matter is I personally believe that two wrongs do not make a right. If someone does a wrong to me, my response should not be to do a wrong back. I can understand the emotionality behind doing the wrong but we would like to hope that we hold ourselves to higher standards, but I think it is important also to understand the power of emotion and politics. In studies that have been made by political historians of terrorism, defined as militancy against non-combatants and civilians, the point has been made by political historians that terrorism has been done ever since the beginning of time practically, since the time of the Romans for sure, and they were designed to achieve very specific target political objectives.

And when we observe terrorism, whether it was done by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or by al Qaida or whoever is behind the bombings in London or those in Madrid, we can see that they were target political objectives. So political objectives and economical objectives, in my mind, I agree with you, are the driving forces and then religion gets co opted along the way, or any ideology can very easily be co-opted or be the wrapping for such movements. And certainly what has happened in the Muslim world is that the secular liberation movements have failed."
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:24 AM
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couple paragraphs from the links posted above by BB
"The fact of the matter is I personally believe that two wrongs do not make a right. If someone does a wrong to me, my response should not be to do a wrong back. I can understand the emotionality behind doing the wrong but we would like to hope that we hold ourselves to higher standards, but I think it is important also to understand the power of emotion and politics. In studies that have been made by political historians of terrorism, defined as militancy against non-combatants and civilians, the point has been made by political historians that terrorism has been done ever since the beginning of time practically, since the time of the Romans for sure, and they were designed to achieve very specific target political objectives.

And when we observe terrorism, whether it was done by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or by al Qaida or whoever is behind the bombings in London or those in Madrid, we can see that they were target political objectives. So political objectives and economical objectives, in my mind, I agree with you, are the driving forces and then religion gets co opted along the way, or any ideology can very easily be co-opted or be the wrapping for such movements. And certainly what has happened in the Muslim world is that the secular liberation movements have failed."
Blood cannot cleanse blood. To those who believe every Muslim is a terrorist,have you considered that if all 1.5 billion Muslims,,and the 15,000 per HOUR new Muslims thru birth rate and conversions WERE terrorists, and were trying to destroy western civilisation...Would you be behind your computer right now ? The answer is 'no',,,you wouldnt still be existing.

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