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Jim B. · #**151** 09-02-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Yes, they are going to "restore honor" by "taking their country back". It is a message of divisiveness and disunion, in essence the introduction of third world-style politics into America. Beck, in the past, has been a big fan of secessionism. I think he wants a Mormon Utopia in the West and a Pentecostal Utopia in the South, and damn the rest of the commie-liberal-Nazi-Muslim US. It is a recipe for the destruction of the United States, and I think that is what this messiah-comples nut case wants.

Seems to go over pretty well with under educated, ultra paranoid, white, crypto racist, extreme "christian" guntoting types afraid of the "other" that need a scapegoat or two and hate paying tax but gladly use government benefits, such as roads, public safety and social security.

There are millions of them, and they vote.

Taken to extremes, it almost mimics the Nuremburg rallies of 1934.

aklim · #**152** 09-02-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Since you seem to suffer from ignorance of your own religion, I recommend reading William James' Varieties of Religious Experience. Christianity and Islam are both Semetic-tradition religions. It's creed is logically simliar, altho the characters are different, One is to submit to God thru the Savior and lives one's life in submission to His Will by following the Bible. Same mumbo-jumbo, different cast of characters.

I don't think it is so much ignorance as getting used to something. When you take a leak, do you even think about unzipping your pants and pulling your shlong out? Probably not. It becomes automatic. Same with religion. Why do you think the religious leaders often glorify the rewards but never tell you how difficult it is to get them? Why do you think they never tell the newly curious people about the TCO? First thing is to get you to believe that the being exists then they SLOWLY get you more and more used to what the deity wants via hints. Much like drug dealers. You ever see a drug dealer bringing you to the rehab wards to see what rehab people look like followed by a fun filled trip to the morgue? Probably not. They focus on the good times via the drug high and how little it costs you. In fact, they probably give free samples till you are hooked then they slowly raise the price till they know you are totally dependent on the drug.

aklim · #**153** 09-02-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Seems to go over pretty well with under educated, ultra paranoid, white, crypto racist, extreme "christian" guntoting types afraid of the "other" that need a scapegoat or two and hate paying tax but gladly use government benefits, such as roads, public safety and social security.

There are millions of them, and they vote.

Taken to extremes, it almost mimics the Nuremburg rallies of 1934.

I see. So your thesis is that because I hate paying for programs that piss money away, I should refrain from using the products of the programs? Would you refund their money?

So, because I don't agree with SS, what you are saying is that I should pay into it because I am forced to by law but not touch any of the benefits I paid for? Is that what you are saying?

MS Fowler · #**154** 09-02-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 732002

The rally title "restoring honor" is a good example. It implies that conservatives are more honorable than the left.

The rally was open to all. It was promised to be nonpolitical. What amazed some of the pundits is that it was exactly that. The pundits were amazed that GB kept his word! There was no anger tone; no provoking.
There are honorable people on both sides of the aisle. If you assumed that the rally was only open for one side, maybe it was you who assumed incorrectly. If more conservative attended than progressives, that might also be an indication of something.

One thing that did stand out to me, regardless of the actual numbers was how clean they left the place. Compare that with a "normal" political rally and the massive cleanup required afterward. The attendees acted as if they were guests and honored to be there.

Jim B. · #**155** 09-02-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I see. So your thesis is that because I hate paying for programs that piss money away, I should refrain from using the products of the programs? Would you refund their money?

So, because I don't agree with SS, what you are saying is that I should pay into it because I am forced to by law but not touch any of the benefits I paid for? Is that what you are saying?

I don't know if you like arguing for the sake of arguing, or just like to stir things up by twisting around the words of others.

Or both.

As a collective nation, it is pretty much agreed that we need things like basic fire, police, road, schools, (and cultural things like museums and libraries to a lesser extent)

I dislike seeing billions and trillions wasted on corporate profiteering in useless wars, and corporate profiteering based on influence peddling by lobbyists, far worse than seeing people getting social security benefits, which most have paid into for years, with their paycheck deductions, and for their old age.

What about some poor schmuck that was on a ladder, painting a house, and fell off and fell two stories down and landed on some paint cans, and became a paraplegic? Fine for you to just throw him into some ditch and die, because you say he should of watched what he was doing?

You seem fine with laissez faire captialism. And social darwinism. Let 6 yeatr old children work for 6 cents a day to work in coal mines with no safety regulations?

If it is so bad, how come you don't move away into the country, build your own roads and maintain them, staff and create your own police and fire department, "home school" your babies, take care of your medical issues, and figure out some way to reside in the USA without paying taxes of any kind.

aklim · #**156** 09-02-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

twisting around the words of others.

As a collective nation, it is pretty much agreed that we need things like basic fire, police, road, schools, (and cultural things like museums and libraries to a lesser extent)

I dislike seeing billions and trillions wasted on corporate profiteering in useless wars, and corporate profiteering based on influence peddling by lobbyists, far worse than seeing people getting social security benefits, which most have paid into for years, with their paycheck deductions, and for their old age.

What about some poor schmuck that was on a ladder, painting a house, and fell off and fell two stories down and landed on some paint cans, and became a paraplegic? Fine for you to just throw him into some ditch and die, because you say he should of watched what he was doing?

You seem fine with laissez faire captialism. And social darwinism.

Let 6 yeatr old children work for 6 cents a day to work in coal mines with no safety regulations?

If it is so bad, how come you don't move away into the country, build your own roads and maintain them, staff and create your own police and fire department, "home school" your babies, take care of your medical issues, and figure out some way to reside in the USA without paying taxes of any kind.

How so? What did YOU mean when you said that they were against the taxes but gladly take welfare money?

Fair enough. I have never disputed that.

I never said that I disagreed with their getting money after paying into it. I just disagree that the program is good in the long run. For one, it encourages more and more social programs. I believe that a person should be responsible for THEIR OWN welfare. What these social programs do is rot the core of the person. Now, there is someone to take care of him and thus reduce his incentive to take care of himself. When you remove all or part of the sting of failure, you also remove the incentive to strive for greatness.

I would say that he either should have prepared himself better or make way for someone fitter to survive.

Yes, I suppose you could say that I am a social darwinist. If you keep adding weak links onto the chain, well, the chain is going to be as strong as the weakest link.

And who is twisting words now?

MS Fowler · #**157** 09-02-2010, 12:52 PM

Jim,
Your scenario isn't what really happens. It is what is used to sell the government program by cynical politicians who care no more for the guy in your story that a stray cat. (perhaps they care more for the stray cat)
Proof of this can be found at every governmental level when they don't have enough money to pay for all their projected spending. They all use the same tactic every time--"we'll have to close libraries, and lay off police, firemen, and teachers." Why? Because they know the public will not stand for that. SO they get the increase in taxes or debt and continue their overspending ways, and laugh at the stupid citizens who continue to fall for the scam.

Billybob · #**158** 09-02-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

The word Islam means "submission". It describes the spiritual state of the believer, in fact, one of the reasons Islam is so widespread and spreading in the developing world is it's utter simplicity. To be a Muslim, one only need do three things: Admit that there is only one God, whose name is Allah, proclaim Muhammed as his last and final prophet, and state that one will live his life in submission to God according to the words of his Prophet as is found in the Koran. Submission to the Will of God is a spiritual precept found in all the major religions. I don't see how anyone who claims to be a Christian can answer "No!" when asked if Christianity requires him to submit to God's Will:

http://christianity.about.com/od/newchristians/qt/decisionmaking.htm

Since you seem to suffer from ignorance of your own religion, I recommend reading William James' Varieties of Religious Experience. Christianity and Islam are both Semetic-tradition religions. It's creed is logically simliar, altho the characters are different, One is to submit to God thru the Savior and lives one's life in submission to His Will by following the Bible. Same mumbo-jumbo, different cast of characters.

Kirk, Kirk , Kirk didn’t you learn anything from the last time I publicly spanked you for fabricating and lying? Come on, it wasn’t that long ago that you falsely accused me of being a “Birther”, I defied you to substantiate that claim and you never did or could. Apparently your life experiences have left you immune from that shame that would humble a person of character. Your failure to substantiate your fraudulent claim combined with your unwillingness to admit your transgression and beg forgiveness only lets everyone know what a “man” you are.

Posts #203, #206, and #208
http://www.peachparts.com//shopforum/showthread.php?p=2508488

Posts #15, #26, and #27
http://www.peachparts.com//shopforum/showthread.php?t=281399

Now you elect to engage on the subject of:

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Originally Posted by Billybob

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Isn't that the idea of all religions, to submit ones self to a higher being?

No!

I will make this a simple and succinct for you as possible so as to not exceed either your perception or ability to comprehend.

What higher being does a Taoist submit his or her self to? What higher being does a Theravada Buddhist submit his or her self to? What higher being does a Confucianist submit his or her self to?

As the question originally asked clearly uses the words “all religions” your commentary attempting to dispute the accuracy of my answer to that question “No” i.e. “Submission to the Will of God is a spiritual precept found in all the major religions.” inserts the qualifier “the major” despite that not being the subject of the original question. ; Hence my concern as to your ability to perceive or comprehend the question or the subject. I won’t bother to take issue or argue with your apparent contention of what beliefs constitute”all the major religions”

But I will point out your deliberate, fraudulent, and false implication/contention that I am a Christian ignorant of my own religion

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

I don't see how anyone who claims to be a Christian can answer "No!" when asked if Christianity requires him to submit to God's Will:

Since you seem to suffer from ignorance of your own religion,

I defy you to substantiate that I am ignorant of my own religion or that I am Christian.

I have in regard to your “Birther” accusations demonstrated that you are liar and without integrity when proven so and this lie you are telling now will without question be disproven, all that remains a question is if you can muster the character to admit your transgression and beg of the community their forgiveness!

I will be eagerly awaiting your response and I sincerely hope that unlike the last public outing and spanking you suffered you can muster something other than “whatever”!

Jim B. · #**159** 09-02-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Jim,
Your scenario isn't what really happens. It is what is used to sell the government program by cynical politicians who care no more for the guy in your story that a stray cat. (perhaps they care more for the stray cat)
Proof of this can be found at every governmental level when they don't have enough money to pay for all their projected spending. They all use the same tactic every time--"we'll have to close libraries, and lay off police, firemen, and teachers." Why? Because they know the public will not stand for that. SO they get the increase in taxes or debt and continue their overspending ways, and laugh at the stupid citizens who continue to fall for the scam.

Yes I do agree...

That is a true depiction of what always happens, anywhere and at every level of government. Corporate lobbying and influence peddling is utterly out of control at every level. The current President rails at it to no effect, and both parties embrace it, (the Republicans unarguably worse in terms of actual dollar amounts and frequency,) but the system is, as I see it, utterly ruined, and is essentially run by special interests.

I think the Founding Fathers would be horrified and aghast to see what the country has come to, today.

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aklim · #**161** 09-02-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Corporate lobbying and influence peddling is utterly out of control at every level.

The current President rails at it to no effect,

and both parties embrace it, (the Republicans unarguably worse in terms of actual dollar amounts and frequency,) but the system is, as I see it, utterly ruined, and is essentially run by special interests.

I think the Founding Fathers would be horrified and aghast to see what the country has come to, today.

Why is corporate lobbying so evil and other forms less evil? Isn't every form of lobbying meant to push things in one direction or the other?

I think the phrase you are searching for is "Crocodile Tears". He was part of it before he became against it. Besides, if he really did anything, his party will tear him to shreds before he gets anywhere. Not that it will pass thru congress anyways.

I'm sure your party of choice is a thief but a better thief.

JollyRoger · #**162** 09-02-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

Kirk, Kirk , Kirk didn’t you learn anything from the last time I publicly spanked you for fabricating and lying? Come on, it wasn’t that long ago that you falsely accused me of being a “Birther”, I defied you to substantiate that claim and you never did or could. Apparently your life experiences have left you immune from that shame that would humble a person of character. Your failure to substantiate your fraudulent claim combined with your unwillingness to admit your transgression and beg forgiveness only lets everyone know what a “man” you are.

Posts #203, #206, and #208
http://www.peachparts.com//shopforum/showthread.php?p=2508488

Posts #15, #26, and #27
http://www.peachparts.com//shopforum/showthread.php?t=281399

Now you elect to engage on the subject of:

I will make this a simple and succinct for you as possible so as to not exceed either your perception or ability to comprehend.

What higher being does a Taoist submit his or her self to? What higher being does a Theravada Buddhist submit his or her self to? What higher being does a Confucianist submit his or her self to?

As the question originally asked clearly uses the words “all religions” your commentary attempting to dispute the accuracy of my answer to that question “No” i.e. “Submission to the Will of God is a spiritual precept found in all the major religions.” inserts the qualifier “the major” despite that not being the subject of the original question. ; Hence my concern as to your ability to perceive or comprehend the question or the subject. I won’t bother to take issue or argue with your apparent contention of what beliefs constitute”all the major religions”

But I will point out your deliberate, fraudulent, and false implication/contention that I am a Christian ignorant of my own religion

I defy you to substantiate that I am ignorant of my own religion or that I am Christian.

I have in regard to your “Birther” accusations demonstrated that you are liar and without integrity when proven so and this lie you are telling now will without question be disproven, all that remains a question is if you can muster the character to admit your transgression and beg of the community their forgiveness!

I will be eagerly awaiting your response and I sincerely hope that unlike the last public outing and spanking you suffered you can muster something other than “whatever”!

Your post is so loaded with insults I thought for a minute we were over at the other forum, you know, the one where you're a birther. You're rant is strange - the subject was Christianity and you went off some deep end on Eastern religions. What exactly are you accusing me of "lying" about, that Christianity does not require you to submit to the will of God? Buy a Bible, and get back to me, when you're lucid.

Billybob · #**163** 09-02-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Your post is so loaded with insults I thought for a minute we were over at the other forum, you know, the one where you're a birther. You're rant is strange - the subject was Christianity and you went off some deep end on Eastern religions. What exactly are you accusing me of "lying" about, that Christianity does not require you to submit to the will of God? Buy a Bible, and get back to me, when you're lucid.

The subject which you quoted was my response "No!" to the question "Isn't that the idea of all religions, to submit ones self to a higher being?"

You whinning about perceived insult, now that there is funny!

Jim B. · #**164** 09-02-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Why is corporate lobbying so evil and other forms less evil? Isn't every form of lobbying meant to push things in one direction or the other?

You have this ongoing penchant for putting words in the mouth of others that they did not utter, and it would be nice if you stopped that, but, regardless,

Corporate lobbying to me is the worst thing, because CUMULATIVELY, it comprises the MOST dollars spent to bribe Congress's members, whose first, primary and foremost objective is to STAY IN POWER and fund their campaigns and build bigger staff machines.

Representing their actual constituents they supposedly serve - runs a distant second to this. Spewing out platitudes and saying things they think the constituents want to hear is how they "represent" the people they are supposed to serve.

Now that the Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom (a 5-4 decision being the ULTIMATE truth) has ruled that "Corporations" are "People" , so it seems that 100 years of legal precedent are swept away, and all hindrances on corporate lobbying seems to be completely removed.

Then of course are the very powerful "single issue" lobbies, - unions, guns abortion, gays ane all the others, that are both ultra powerful, and laser focused on thie single issue, on getting what they want and will not listen to anyone whose goals are different to theirs.

To me, the system is cohesive and well run as a premarital drunken bachlorette party (as I would imagine one of them to be)

MONEY rules all. It trumps EVERYTHING else. I don't think our country was founded with this principle in mind.

jplinville · #**165** 09-02-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Glenn Beck is America's version of a radical Islamist imam that stirs up ignorant and uneducated and paranoid people to hate the "other".

He hides behind the first amendment the same way the radical Islamist clerics hide behind the "Madrassas schools"

Since both foment violence and hatred, same predictable end result can be expected..

I have yet to hear or see anywhere where he has condoned violence. Perhaps you're reading too much of your hatred into his words? Who knows...