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Old 09-08-2010, 06:44 AM
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Greed

It seems that many, if not most threads on OD eventually get around to some form of class warfare, pitting the rich against the not-so rich. "Greed" comes in for a large share of the blame.
Greed is blamed for the high price of gas.
Greed is blamed for stock market failures.
Greed is blamed for corporations dumping toxic stuff into the environment.
Greed is blamed for the high cost of nearly everything.

All in all greed is seen as a pretty bad thing.

Question-----Why is greed by government not criticized nearly as strongly? Why is it that continually increasing the % and amount of taxes paid into government is often viewed as good, and the very best thing we should do?

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Old 09-08-2010, 06:58 AM
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Easy to answer.

People, especially 'rich' people, cannot be trusted individually. They are little more than jungle cats preying on the weak.

However, when the herd as a whole (the Government) takes the money the herd can decide what to do with it in a more 'equitable' manner. The Government IS responsible, after all they have 'experts' and they are elected by the herd to do things for the herd that the herd cannot do itself.

The herd will not be happy until there are no more 'rich' people that stalk the herd and make them buy things like gasoline and products. The herd wants this all provided for free as a 'right'
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Old 09-08-2010, 09:47 AM
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well, according to this guy.....
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Does having stuff change who you are or is who you are the same whether or not you have stuff?
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:12 AM
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The government is pretty much bought by big business.

When you get enough, well, who am I kidding? You can NEVER get enough.

The love of money is the root of all evil. I forget who first said that.
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The government is pretty much bought by big business.

When you get enough, well, who am I kidding? You can NEVER get enough.

The love of money is the root of all evil. I forget who first said that.

3/4 of the Congress are millionaires. They ARE the rich people.
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and speaking of where some of those millions are going, anyone ever check out the Escort section of the Washington, D.C. yellow pages? what is it up to? 20 pages plus and counting?
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well, according to this guy.....
Gordon Gekko ("Wall Street", 1987)


Delivered at a stockholder's meeting by a corporate raider and so eerily convincing that it turned lead into gold--and later, of course, back into lead--this speech by Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas) persuades the assembled that "greed is good." Stone was reportedly influenced by a similar contention by 1980s convicted inside trader Ivan Boesky that "greed is right." Here's a portion of Gecko's moving speech:

• I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them! The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed--for lack of a better word--is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms--greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge--has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed--you mark my words--will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much •


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On October 8, 2008, the character was referenced in a speech by the Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd in his speech "The Children of Gordon Gekko" concerning the Financial crisis of 2007-2010. Rudd stated “It is perhaps time now to admit that we did not learn the full lessons of the greed-is-good ideology. And today we are still cleaning up the mess of the 21st-century children of Gordon Gekko.”

On July 28, 2009, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone cited Gekko's greed is good slogan in a speech to the Italian senate, saying that the free market had been replaced by a greed market, and also blamed such a mentality for the 2007-2008 financial crisis.

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-Why is greed by government not criticized nearly as strongly?
For the same reason that God is not criticized for wanting everybody to worship him. Can't he just be satisfied with a few hundred thousand?
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3/4 of the Congress are millionaires. They ARE the rich people.
Thanks to lobbyists.
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Thanks to lobbyists.
True but lets look a little further, shall we? Where do the lobbyists get their money? God didn't hand them a suitcase full of $20 bills in random order. It was the special interests that got money from people who felt a certain way about something.
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For the same reason that God is not criticized for wanting everybody to worship him. Can't he just be satisfied with a few hundred thousand?
Assuming you are serious.....
If God is as He is revealed in the scriptures, He is the absolute BEST of all possible BEST. Why would He want His creation to worship anything less? Wouldn't that be akin to encouraging people to lie?

The problem is that most people create God as something like themselves, only a little "better". Since it is a human virtue to defer to others, it seems like a good thing for God to defer, and want people to worship something other than the BEST.
Such is the problem of inventing your own God.
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...Why is it that continually increasing the % and amount of taxes paid into government is often viewed as good, and the very best thing we should do?
Continually increasing? By what measure? Tax rates are generally much lower now than they have been over the years.

I didn't vet the following links, but they seem to reflect what people generally say about taxes in this country:

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

http://wehrintheworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/effective-tax-rates-over-time-chart.html

I think Americans are under taxed, but would not claim to know what the optimum rate is.
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For the same reason that God is not criticized for wanting everybody to worship him. Can't he just be satisfied with a few hundred thousand?
...and no-one ever criticized Santa for that whole naughty and nice thing.

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