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Old 09-27-2010, 12:47 PM
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U.S. Wants Broader Internet Wiretap Authority

"The Obama administration is developing plans that would require all Internet-based communication services -- such as encrypted BlackBerry e-mail, Facebook, and Skype -- to be capable of complying with federal wiretap orders, according to a report published Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/27/seeking-expand-internet-wiretaps/

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Old 09-27-2010, 12:55 PM
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Don't you remember the uproar when the Patriot act was passed? One thing that I recall asking was, "How are you going to feel about this when a Democrat is President?"

Seems to me that the R's liked the Patriot act because they felt that the One True Faith that is the GOP would hold the office forever. God's will, you know.
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Old 09-27-2010, 01:00 PM
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I don't like government that spies and intrudes on its citizens.

An undeclared "war" on "terrorism" has bern used to justify the so-called "patriot" act.

The so called TSA is another example.

Swift execution of terrorists might work better. Racial profiling too. Politicsl correctness be damned.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:02 PM
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Where is the up roar over this people?...
Exactly what should the up roar be about? It is not obvious to me that the government should allow these encrypted communications to go on without any ability on the part of law enforcement to intercept them, subject to proper judicial oversight. I'm not comfortable with the government's position, either, but it is not obvious that Obama is doing anything wrong here. It looks like a tough issue to me.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:11 PM
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I find this story, in of course, Fox News, essentially false. The government is not seeking to "expand it's wiretap authority", that statement is a bare faced lie. The government is asking communications providers to comply with existing law, or else. The purpose of this is to thwart terrorists, and it targets terrorists who are legally under investigation. Just more ridiculous right wing hyperbole to go with "death panels" and "birth certificate" nonsense.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:12 PM
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Where is the up roar over this people?


U.S. Wants Broader Internet Wiretap Authority

"The Obama administration is developing plans that would require all Internet-based communication services -- such as encrypted BlackBerry e-mail, Facebook, and Skype -- to be capable of complying with federal wiretap orders, according to a report published Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/27/seeking-expand-internet-wiretaps/
I have no interest in giving the US government more authority to spy on me, hopefully the service provides will fight this initiative.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:13 PM
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So you are ok with terrorists using Skype so they can kill your kids ?
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:27 PM
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So you are ok with terrorists using Skype so they can kill your kids ?
I simply don't trust any government with any more power than absolutely necessary. On any given day, I'm at very little risk from a hypothetical terrorist; while "my" government seems to be doing it's best to make my life less convenient and waste my time/money. Have you gone through an airport lately?

If a terrorist really wants to do something, they will figure out how to get it done with or without skype; we just don't need any more security theater. IMO, we have already gone well over the line in the interest of providing the illusion of security to the masses.

Let's all understand that there will be more terrorist attacks against americans in our lifetimes, just like their will be more plane crashes, more auto accidents, and more earthquakes and floods. There will also be more random street crime, and people will continue to die from treatable illnesses. We do not have a "cost is no object" approach to any of those threats, but we still have our collective panties in a twist over terrorism. Time to move on.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:43 PM
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Sounds like a potential job for a American legal organization whose manifest purpose and past history is to defend and advance citizen's Civil Liberties and Constitutional rights in our great Union . . .
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Sounds like a potential job for a American legal organization whose manifest purpose and past history is to defend and advance citizen's Civil Liberties and Constitutional rights in our great Union . . .
I hope they have taken a position on this silliness.
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Well, I live in Houston. In the likely scenarios for terrorist attack, we are in the top three, because if the terrorists can shut down the gasoline industry in Houston, the entire United States economy will collapse. If a major terrorist attack comes, it will be in New York. L.A., and most devastatingly to the US economy, in Houston. A dirty bomb in the refinery district, the blowing up of a pesticide storage tank with a suicide plane or semi, a nuclear weapon hidden in a container ship, all are plausible outcomes in this area of an attack aimed at stopping gasoline and diesel fuel production in the United States. The government is merely recognizing that telephones are more and more, unnecessary and obsolete methods of criminal communication. Have at it, I say.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:52 PM
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Well, I live in Houston. In the likely scenarios for terrorist attack, we are in the top three, because if the terrorists can shut down the gasoline industry in Houston, the entire United States economy will collapse. A dirty bomb in the refinery district, the blowing up of a pesticide storage tank with a suicide plane or semi, a nuclear weapon hidden in a container ship, all are plausible outcomes in this area. The government is merely recognizing that telephones are more and more, unnecessary and obsolete methods of criminal communication. Have at it, I say.
It must suck to be afraid of everything.

Those are probably all real threats, and there is very little that the government can do to protect you. If/when it happens someplace, the country will recover. You could also get hit by lightning or get run over by a bus; learn to live with it.
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I hope they have taken a position on this silliness.

I believe they have.

"As it's currently written, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act is not living up to its name. Every day, Americans conduct more and more of their lives online while their privacy protections remain stuck in the '80s," said Christopher Calabrese, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "As our technology advances, so must our privacy. Congress must give Americans comprehensive protection for records of their e-mails, texts and cell phone locations."
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:18 PM
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I believe they have.

"As it's currently written, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act is not living up to its name. Every day, Americans conduct more and more of their lives online while their privacy protections remain stuck in the '80s," said Christopher Calabrese, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "As our technology advances, so must our privacy. Congress must give Americans comprehensive protection for records of their e-mails, texts and cell phone locations."
Interesting, that seems like a good start. It should be as difficult for the government to read my electronic mail/data as it is for them to get a search warrant for my home.
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:26 PM
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Where is the up roar over this people?


U.S. Wants Broader Internet Wiretap Authority

"The Obama administration is developing plans that would require all Internet-based communication services -- such as encrypted BlackBerry e-mail, Facebook, and Skype -- to be capable of complying with federal wiretap orders, according to a report published Monday."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/27/seeking-expand-internet-wiretaps/
And some people didn't believe we were losing liberty and freedom under obama.

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