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Old 11-01-2010, 07:48 PM
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Dump Charter! Need to go wireless??

Pretty fed up right now concerning what I was quoted for a bundle rate on local phone, TV, and internet vs what the bill said. It was pretty heated on the phone talking to these morons.
About the only option I have on the computer would be (and I am a computer dummy so bear with me) a wifi sort of setup, wireless internet in other words?

$35 for 200mb.mo or $60 for 5GB, which should I go with? No idea how many bytes I go through in a month.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:29 PM
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Pretty fed up right now concerning what I was quoted for a bundle rate on local phone, TV, and internet vs what the bill said. It was pretty heated on the phone talking to these morons.
About the only option I have on the computer would be (and I am a computer dummy so bear with me) a wifi sort of setup, wireless internet in other words?

$35 for 200mb.mo or $60 for 5GB, which should I go with? No idea how many bytes I go through in a month.
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Here's what I've been using for years - at home and on the road in my coach.

You should go to a cell phone and whatever your TV antenna can pick up out of the air. Anything else is throwing money away in my personal opinion.



The kit http://www.jefatech.com/category/a050/ $150

700' is nothing.....

An omni-directional marine type antenna (installed on the top) and a router/repeater (installed inside) create a strong signal (“hot spot”) in and out of the coach. The system was successfully tested ˝ mile from the Wi-Fi point with a broadcast strength of a meager 9%. Unsecured, the system could make you the most desirable neighboring RV.

I utilize parts of this system at home and on-the-road. I would estimate that from inside my home, using only the rubber duck 4" antenna with 6' USB port line I can pick up a Wifi signal from 100 yards. I have no less than (10) Wifi signals from inside my home. From the roof of my home, I would estimate (30) Wifi signals, or more. Only (3) are unsecured and free to use out of the (10) or so from inside my home. The antenna pictured above, is fixed in place on the luggage rack. I plan to upgrade my TV antenna to a Winegard "batwing" crank-up/down antenna system, which I will affix the 2' antenna to. Then, easy directional rotating is accomplished from inside the coach. My last coach had the Winegard 'batwing' which is an outstanding antenna. I haven't paid for Internet access in almost (2) years. Anywhere in the country, I just pop-open my laptop inside my coach, and bang, signals everywhere. My kit has a 2' antenna 8.5dBi gain, Omni Directional antenna, which is supposed to pick up a 1/2 mile signal.

They sell a 65" antenna 15dBi gain, Omni Directional Antenna upgrade for $40.00 more, that is supposed to be able to pick up a 1 mile away signal.

Included in the kit is the 4" rubber duck antenna ports into the side of your laptop, and is all most people would need when you want to pick up a Wifi signal in your car from parking lots, etc. Of course it would give a signal boost used in office buildings as well from the repeater too. So, unless you want to go Wifi from your home, boat, or RV with the 2' marine-type antenna, all you need is the 4" rubber duck antenna.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:41 PM
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5G/Month isn't really all that much. 200M is nothing. Don't select that one unless you only intend to use it for a few days of light usage.

Can you get DSL? We're using that, and it's cheaper than cable for internet for about the same speed. More reliable for us too, but of course that depends on where you are.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:52 PM
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Here's what I've been using for years - at home and on the road in my coach.

You should go to a cell phone and whatever your TV antenna can pick up out of the air. Anything else is throwing money away in my personal opinion.



The kit http://www.jefatech.com/category/a050/ $150

700' is nothing.....

An omni-directional marine type antenna (installed on the top) and a router/repeater (installed inside) create a strong signal (“hot spot”) in and out of the coach. The system was successfully tested ˝ mile from the Wi-Fi point with a broadcast strength of a meager 9%. Unsecured, the system could make you the most desirable neighboring RV.

I utilize parts of this system at home and on-the-road. I would estimate that from inside my home, using only the rubber duck 4" antenna with 6' USB port line I can pick up a Wifi signal from 100 yards. I have no less than (10) Wifi signals from inside my home. From the roof of my home, I would estimate (30) Wifi signals, or more. Only (3) are unsecured and free to use out of the (10) or so from inside my home. The antenna pictured above, is fixed in place on the luggage rack. I plan to upgrade my TV antenna to a Winegard "batwing" crank-up/down antenna system, which I will affix the 2' antenna to. Then, easy directional rotating is accomplished from inside the coach. My last coach had the Winegard 'batwing' which is an outstanding antenna. I haven't paid for Internet access in almost (2) years. Anywhere in the country, I just pop-open my laptop inside my coach, and bang, signals everywhere. My kit has a 2' antenna 8.5dBi gain, Omni Directional antenna, which is supposed to pick up a 1/2 mile signal.

They sell a 65" antenna 15dBi gain, Omni Directional Antenna upgrade for $40.00 more, that is supposed to be able to pick up a 1 mile away signal.

Included in the kit is the 4" rubber duck antenna ports into the side of your laptop, and is all most people would need when you want to pick up a Wifi signal in your car from parking lots, etc. Of course it would give a signal boost used in office buildings as well from the repeater too. So, unless you want to go Wifi from your home, boat, or RV with the 2' marine-type antenna, all you need is the 4" rubber duck antenna.
You have made my month with this!
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:20 PM
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No DSL available here (no real idea why but we can't), so limited to dial up, cable, there is a wireless company here that uses a dish, which we don't want, or this wireless system, uses an "air card"? That's the one we're looking at, dial up too slow of course, cable is Charter, who we are on the warpath with, and we don't want a dish on/near the house.

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Old 11-01-2010, 09:38 PM
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You have made my month with this!
If I were paying what some people pay for these "bundles" I'd likely be in the same boat as many of them.

No way I pay the kind of monthly money that some call a necessity to their life. "Necessity," now that's a laughable term to me. . . .

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I'm going to order that and maybe modify the antenna for better range. wee no more one wireless connection here anymore (horray for dumb neighbors!)
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If you can get a phone line, you can usually get DSL now days. The 7 mile radius is not as critical anymore. Then again, small town may be the issue.

You will chew up cell data usage and it will be SLOW. Really the best options are usually DSL, Cable or Dish. Anything else will be slow.

Or go plan B as shown above and pay once for the stuff and get free internet!
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I'm going to order that and maybe modify the antenna for better range. wee no more one wireless connection here anymore (horray for dumb neighbors!)
Anyone that chooses to water your grass so to speak with their water on my property is certainly welcome to. I'd like to see someone come on my property, in my home to arrest me for using a free, unsecured, no password IP signal that makes it's way inside my home or coach.

I'm still not so sold on the 2' antenna versus the USB 4" rubber duck antenna that sticks in the side of my laptop. The omni-directional antenna, still needs to be slightly rotated to receive the apex of any signal. I hope it works out for you. Never know unless you try.

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Old 11-01-2010, 10:48 PM
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No DSL available here (no real idea why but we can't), so limited to dial up, cable, there is a wireless company here that uses a dish, which we don't want, or this wireless system, uses an "air card"? That's the one we're looking at, dial up too slow of course, cable is Charter, who we are on the warpath with, and we don't want a dish on/near the house.

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Pretty fed up right now concerning what I was quoted for a bundle rate on local phone, TV, and internet vs what the bill said. It was pretty heated on the phone talking to these morons.
About the only option I have on the computer would be (and I am a computer dummy so bear with me) a wifi sort of setup, wireless internet in other words?

$35 for 200mb.mo or $60 for 5GB, which should I go with? No idea how many bytes I go through in a month.
Gilly
There is a thread somewhere on the forum about this! $120 for the device and $40 a month unlimited data! I don't know how that can be beat, I would at least check it out!

http://www.virginmobileusa.com/mobile-broadband/mifi-2200.html
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:16 PM
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You want unlimited data. You might squeeze by on 5G but I don't know. I would be leery of locking into a plan like that. I had a Sprint 3G broadband card and it was pretty slow, like 400K. I think the 4G is better but maybe around 900K. Yeah, I just cancelled Comcast/Cr*pfinity. What a bunch of liars. I wish I had a recording of this lady and all her lies I listened to for 25 min. I kept telling her to honor the deal I was quoted or cancel it. She finally cancelled my service! I was pretty surprised, but they can completely shove it somewhere. Total scumbag liars. I am watching crystal clear OTA HD TV right now and loving every minute!
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:56 PM
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Here's what I've been using for years - at home and on the road in my coach.

You should go to a cell phone and whatever your TV antenna can pick up out of the air. Anything else is throwing money away in my personal opinion.



The kit http://www.jefatech.com/category/a050/ $150

700' is nothing.....

An omni-directional marine type antenna (installed on the top) and a router/repeater (installed inside) create a strong signal (“hot spot”) in and out of the coach. The system was successfully tested ˝ mile from the Wi-Fi point with a broadcast strength of a meager 9%. Unsecured, the system could make you the most desirable neighboring RV.

I utilize parts of this system at home and on-the-road. I would estimate that from inside my home, using only the rubber duck 4" antenna with 6' USB port line I can pick up a Wifi signal from 100 yards. I have no less than (10) Wifi signals from inside my home. From the roof of my home, I would estimate (30) Wifi signals, or more. Only (3) are unsecured and free to use out of the (10) or so from inside my home. The antenna pictured above, is fixed in place on the luggage rack. I plan to upgrade my TV antenna to a Winegard "batwing" crank-up/down antenna system, which I will affix the 2' antenna to. Then, easy directional rotating is accomplished from inside the coach. My last coach had the Winegard 'batwing' which is an outstanding antenna. I haven't paid for Internet access in almost (2) years. Anywhere in the country, I just pop-open my laptop inside my coach, and bang, signals everywhere. My kit has a 2' antenna 8.5dBi gain, Omni Directional antenna, which is supposed to pick up a 1/2 mile signal.

They sell a 65" antenna 15dBi gain, Omni Directional Antenna upgrade for $40.00 more, that is supposed to be able to pick up a 1 mile away signal.

Included in the kit is the 4" rubber duck antenna ports into the side of your laptop, and is all most people would need when you want to pick up a Wifi signal in your car from parking lots, etc. Of course it would give a signal boost used in office buildings as well from the repeater too. So, unless you want to go Wifi from your home, boat, or RV with the 2' marine-type antenna, all you need is the 4" rubber duck antenna.
As much as I love your solution, this isn't truly legal or worse safe.

In fact, I have been having a lot of fun when I would detect neighbors using my wireless connection. Recently I have had even more fun sniffing out packet data from unencrypted HTTP sessions over my wireless router. Hijacking facebook, twitter, Gmail, google, and other non encrypted is super easy.

You'd be surprised at the type of stuff I see sent in plain text over email to my wireless router.

I urge you to at least consider a VPN service. They can be used cheaply at a per monthly rate of at least 5-8$ . At least this way, hooligans like myself will only see encrypted traffic and not your email, IM, and web traffic.

To the OP, have you considered going satellite or even going to your municipality and complaining? See if you can get enough people together to start a municipal ISP. Charter will go ape **** over this, but if their service is as crappy as you say it is, I bet a lot of local citizens will appreciate it.
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Old 11-02-2010, 12:03 AM
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As much as I love your solution, this isn't truly legal or worse safe.

In fact, I have been having a lot of fun when I would detect neighbors using my wireless connection. Recently I have had even more fun sniffing out packet data from unencrypted HTTP sessions over my wireless router. Hijacking facebook, twitter, Gmail, google, and other non encrypted is super easy.

You'd be surprised at the type of stuff I see sent in plain text over email to my wireless router.

I urge you to at least consider a VPN service. They can be used cheaply at a per monthly rate of at least 5-8$ . At least this way, hooligans like myself will only see encrypted traffic and not your email, IM, and web traffic.
Your fears and assumptions were debunked by forum member DaNag here last month on all your cautions and beliefs here.

I suggest you re-read DaNag's post AGAIN:

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Piggybacking off of your neighbor's unsecured wifi is illegal.

That's so overly broad as to be incorrect.

Your neighbor may or may not care. Your neighbor's ISP may or may not have restrictions on such things (mine doesn't), but even if they do, the TOS applies to your neighbor - not you.

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For me I also turn off SSID broadcasting so when someone does a wireless scan my network won't show up.

Not really useful. First, it's effective for basic/default scans by a user's OS only. It's trivial to find an SSID that is not being broadcast, with any number of free tools - no "hacking" necessary.

The main reason it's of no use - as you rightly advised, WPA2 should be enabled on the access point, for those that want/need such security. If so, who cares if your SSID is being broadcast? Anyone with sufficient skills to crack WPA2, would easily find your SSID even if broadcasting were turned off.

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Doing this leaves you open to man-in-the-middle attacks. It is very easy to sniff packets and send false ones back. Websites such as banking, email, and other stuff are not safe.

Anything remotely related to financial/banking is unaffected, as the connections are encrypted over SSL. You can not decipher captured traffic being transmitted over SSL, nor can you perform man in the middle attacks over such connections. And, it's trivial to protect email as well - virtually every ISP/email package allows encrypted connections, as do the major web based providers. GMail for example, can be configured to always use SSL.

For other sites, such as this one - sure, all bets are off. Unless one is dopey enough to use the same credentials for financial/email services as they do at sites such as this, there's limited exposure.

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Do not use unsecured wireless networks unless you absolutely need to.

That's simply paranoid. As mentioned above, most anything important is completely safe from prying eyes.


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