I agree with much of what you said, but the people posting the facts are not lunatics or fanatics- that title belongs with the folks they are posting about.

Dialogue would be great- but when that happens in places where the muslims don't want dialogue, they blow people up or kill them. Tough to have dialogue with folks that blow others up. The problem is the that folks continue to talk as you do- and ask for dialogue with people that are willing to kill so as to NOT have dialogue. Want me to post examples or would that kill your argument?

It should read:

You should be the terrorist attorney! Ah yes your honor, my client did kill 14 what most people call innocent bystanders, but those innocent bystanders taxes we used to fund the military that waged war back in my clients homeland, so we need to view those bystanders as combatants per se... please allow me to continue to tell you why those bystanders were guilty of murder themselves and deserved... well they were born in a powerful western country so they are/were guilty by proxy you see....

This discussion shows a very interesting digression. It starts with Chris Bell giving a chronology of terrorist attacks. This goes on for some time. Some congratulate him on his good work. Then there is an influx of what appears to be attempts to bait him into an argument. Maybe so that eventually the discussion will be locked out. To his credit Chris has the composure not to respond & just goes on providing information. I see that there is even invitations for those with an opposing view point to start their own list of day by day data of a similar nature concerning some opposing group. They have not done so. They appear to be just hell bent on turning an informative list into a senseless opinionated argument.

From Zbigniew Brzezinski's remarks to the Middle East Institute banquet on November 7:

"Instead of mobilizing Muslim moderates on our side, some of our officials in their public statements have come close to using Islamophobic terminology, particularly in their insistence always on identifying the terrorists as Islamic terrorists. We don't do that when we talk of IRA terrorism in Northern Ireland. We don't go around saying it's Catholic terrorism. We don't do it when we talk of the Basques in northern Spain. We don't say this is Catholic terrorism. Unfortunately the use of these over-arching adjectives tends to create a subconscious identification of those people who see themselves as Muslims or Islamists with those who are being identified. That is the way the psychological mechanism works. This is why we don't call the IRA terrorists Catholics.

"Occasionally we will even go further than that. We have talked, at very high levels, of a crusade. We have talked about waging a war against an Islamic caliphate. We have even referred to Islamo-fascism. This is not helpful.

"Worse than that, I think it is posing the danger of the United States gradually sliding into a lonely American war against the world of Islam. That is to be avoided. It's not in our interest. It's not in the interest of the world of Islam. It certainly is not inevitable. But it is happening and one has to think about the implications of that seriously."

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As this forum is called "Open Discussion" . . . your observation and point of view seems to suggest that the "Discussion" part of the forum is unnecessary or to be avoided. I cannot speak to all the "opposing view" but my contributions were made to provide context to some of the views being expressed.

Yes, the list is informative, but without context is it anything more than a body count, like a "police blotter" column in the local newspaper?

I guess some could call it composure, others would call it ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room. He has failed to give any context other than anti-muslim rhetoric

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Oh, and:

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/index.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/index.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/index.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/index.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/

We have our own problems here.

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March 26, 2010

The Northwest Jesuits, formerly the Society of Jesus, Oregon Province, along with their insurers have agreed to pay $166.1 million in a bankruptcy settlement aimed at compensating nearly 500 people with active claims of sexual abuse by priests.
The settlement is part of a Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization by the religious order. Lawyers in the case announced the settlement yesterday at news conferences across the region.

The horrific part of this episode is that the offenders were intentionally sent to these remote communities because they were identified as "problem priests" by the Jesuits. Apparently, out of sight, out of mind, was the best course of action for them, but not the communities.

Bell's posts have got the discussion they merrit.

Nangarhar, Afghanistan: Two children are killed by a roadside bomb. 2 Dead 0 Injured.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171691.html

Kurram, Pakistan: A woman and child are among thirteen Shiites killed by Sunni gunmen. 13 Killed 8 injured.


As Eygpt begins the purge of non Muslims.
http://www.aina.org/news/20110325223845.htm

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Caught me. I'm using emotion to deny facts I don't like.

Good Lord. My point, gentlepersons, is that if anything other than a tiny minority of Muslims were doing this, we'd have a full on hot war going on, worldwide.

I suspect statistics would show that Muslims are slightly more violent, per capita, than US citizens, regardless of religion.

But the US is not some oasis of enlightenment. The rate of killings of US police officers in the line of duty was about 15 per month in 2010 and is on that pace so far this year. That's every other day. Truly shocking.

There are bad people in the world. I'm not sure what Chris Bellicose's aim is here. I'm not sure who first started the line about Islam being a religion of peace. Maybe they said it in hopes that the power of suggestion might have an effect.

I know I've never said it. But it's a bit amusing to watch this business of folks from Rush on down making it their life's work to jump and say, "Nuh-uh! Islam's not either a religion of peace!"

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One could also say that drug cartel gang members make up a small portion of their population but have an inordinately high percentage of violent activity, not unlike US urban center gangs.

as islam continues whatever it is teaching

...right, that's the definition. I mean seriously, could it be any more 'undefined'?

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That's got to be about the wackiest distinction made to define motivation for one murder vs another. I almost sounds like any murder, which by number is surely multifold compared to CB's 'cut&paste' list, is excusable, due to the fact that it's not commited 'in the name of Allah'. Now, that's despicable.

None of the cut & paste quotes have any direct effect on us.

In fact, the way Chris is posting his personal issue, is quite cowardly imo. Hiding behind cut & paste action from what looks like single source of religious hate mongering to get others stirred up about the subject.

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