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Old 04-05-2011, 07:49 PM
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Destabilizing Mexico.

I think this is how the cartels are trying to destabilize Mexico's government.

This seems to be the preferred way for the cartels to ruin tourism and commerce. Hours away was to be the Tennis Open and now competitors are debating whether to attend.

CIA has been allowing the running of automatic weapons into Mexico according to a whistle blower from the ATF.

So we can lay this bloodshed at the door of our government? Can we allow this to continue, and if not, how is it stopped? Reminds me of the Sandinista National Liberation Front and the Contras war.

Anyone going to be allowing their kids to have a vacation in Cancun, Acapulco etc ?

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Old 04-05-2011, 08:31 PM
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People have been running guns into Mexico since the days of Pancho Villa.

I guy I once knew used to run M-16's into Mexico where he swapped them for drugs that he then sold in the US. When the Fed's finally caught him he had $600,000,000 in cash sitting in a warehouse he owned in Grand Prairie, Texas. This was in the early 80's.

He claimed to be in the Commercial Real Estate business. I guess he did need a lot of warehouse space.

Mexico has never been a safe place to travel for as long as I have been traveling and that has been for about 50 years. I was going to go to Baja once and was told by the Mexican Ambassador to take a machine gun since I would likely need it. That was in the early 1970's.

I NEVER go anywhere without hiring a local driver who can talk his way past checkpoints.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:40 PM
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People have been running guns into Mexico since the days of Pancho Villa........................................I NEVER go anywhere without hiring a local driver who can talk his way past checkpoints.

Good idea Pooka. I have traveled all over, Harlem, Russia, Naples, Palermo...never any problem I couldn't handle, but I would never venture into Mexico.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:44 PM
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Good idea Pooka. I have traveled all over, Harlem, Russia, Naples, Palermo...never any problem I couldn't handle, but I would never venture into Mexico.
... or jersey.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:55 PM
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... or jersey.
Does LaGuardia count ?
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:12 PM
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People have been running guns into Mexico since the days of Pancho Villa.

I guy I once knew used to run M-16's into Mexico where he swapped them for drugs that he then sold in the US. When the Fed's finally caught him he had $600,000,000 in cash sitting in a warehouse he owned in Grand Prairie, Texas. This was in the early 80's.

He claimed to be in the Commercial Real Estate business. I guess he did need a lot of warehouse space.

Mexico has never been a safe place to travel for as long as I have been traveling and that has been for about 50 years. I was going to go to Baja once and was told by the Mexican Ambassador to take a machine gun since I would likely need it. That was in the early 1970's.

I NEVER go anywhere without hiring a local driver who can talk his way past checkpoints.
$600 million? Are you sure?
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:49 PM
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$600 million? Are you sure?
Yeah that seems pretty steep....

I remember in the Cocaine Cowboys documentary the runners netted something like $50 million over the years but they were moving tons of drugs into the country. I think 6 million might be a more accurate figure.
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:22 AM
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Reverse Immigration?

Maybe the strategy is to wait until EVERYONE has left Old Mexico except the
Cartels.

AND then see if the B-52 effect works in North America?

'Call any insurance agent up and tell'em you will be driving in Mexico...
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:43 AM
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I travel to Mexico (we have a facility in Rio Bravo) and cross the border very often. I personally don't feel any more unsafe in Mexico than in many US Cities. In fact I probably am more unrest at being in Jackson, MS than Mexico. The same advice applies in MX as it does anywhere. There are certain places you shouldn't go and if you are looking for trouble, you will find it.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:04 AM
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.... destabilize Mexico's government.
Wouldn’t that require it to be somewhat “stable” to begin with?
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:14 AM
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I travel there fairly often. I spent many years running a student exchange program, taking large groups of jr. high students who stayed in family homes for a week at a time. We have a share in a beach house in a Sonoran fishing town that we stay in several times a year. Never a problem. I feel perfectly safe and know what to avoid. Remember that the cartels are mostly killing each other and the regular folks who are desperate enough to become involved with them. They're fighting over turf that they need to supply US with drugs. Yeah, innocents do get caught in the crossfire sometimes. I'm sure that never happens in the U.S., right?

It would be ludicrous to characterize the entire U.S. on the basis of our most dangerous cities, and it's equally silly to characterize the entire country of Mexico in the same way.

As the biggest customers of the cartels' products, the U.S. could end a lot of violence by simply making those products legally available to grownups through normal retail channels.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:17 AM
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CIA has been allowing the running of automatic weapons into Mexico according to a whistle blower from the ATF
Do you have a link for this statement? Your article about a tennis match doesn't really broach this subject.
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My wife is from Chihuahua. I never go with her when she travels to visit family. She has been close to gun battles twice in the past 3 years and it is very common for non hispanics to be followed from the airport and robbed or kidnapped. Most of this doesnt make the news becuase there is no one left who will report it, but those who live there know. The cartels kill reporters who talk about anything bad so it goes unreported. Anyone who lives there knows you never go anywheere where there are a lot of people you do not know and trust, and even then a gathering is dangerous. Many times they are looking for one guy and kill everyone in the house or party, only to find they have the wrong house or the guy they wanted was somewhere else, so they go to the next place and kill everyone there. Its worse than the wild west to me, its the 1800's wild west with cars and machine guns.
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:38 PM
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I travel to Mexico (we have a facility in Rio Bravo) and cross the border very often. I personally don't feel any more unsafe in Mexico than in many US Cities. In fact I probably am more unrest at being in Jackson, MS than Mexico. The same advice applies in MX as it does anywhere. There are certain places you shouldn't go and if you are looking for trouble, you will find it.
Jackson? really?
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:26 PM
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It has been so long ago that there is no info on the net about the $600,000,000 drug bust from the 80's I spoke of. The figure I am using was what was in the papers at the time. Since this was someone in the area that a few of us knew we followed the story pretty close.

The guy was buying weapons that had been swiped from, mostly, Fort Hood. He then used the money he made selling the drugs he traded for the guns to buy a hotel in Arlington, Texas. I think it was the hotel buy that attracted the attention to him.

Apparently the Feds were on to him for some time but could not prove anything. When he paid cash for the hotel they were able to move in and ask a few questions about the transaction.

As I recall an M-16, or anything like it, at the time was going for $5000 in Mexico, or about 6 pounds of pot. Since he was buying the guns for about $200 each he was really turning $200 into $5000 with every swap. If he did 100 guns a day that would be a profit of $480,000 a day, or a little under $3,000,000 a week.

I think he had been doing this for about eight years.

I am sure he did not do all of this alone, but only his name got into the papers.

I don't know how he came out after his trial. I just know we never heard of him again.

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