Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Discussions > Off-Topic Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:03 PM
okyoureabeast's Avatar
Rogue T Tolerant
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: North America
Posts: 1,675
Hey lawyers in the house

I'm coming up to my senior year of my undergraduate career and I want to continue my education. So a few months ago I started flirting with practice GREs and LSAT questions. However, the GRE just really reminds me of an old test I took a little over five years ago

I've always been turned off to the GREs. There's nothing more uncomfortable than a test that is similar to the SAT. I did poorly on the SAT considering how well my overall high school GPA was. However, college wasn't so kind to me and my GPA is a less than stellar 3.1. I can definitely pull that sucker up higher this fall so I'm not too worried.

However, I really have taken a liking to these LSAT questions. It reminds me a lot of my discrete mathematics class and the mental reasoning behind them makes sense. I've done quiet well on everything except the games (obviously).

I have a practice book and have been working through it, but what else can I do to practice for these games? Any type of precision reading/unwarranted assumption drills I should look at?

__________________
-Typos courtesy of my mobile phone.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:10 PM
tbomachines's Avatar
ಠ_ಠ
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,366
GREs aren't that bad! There are more people with law degrees than positions out there, even the ABA knows it and has admitted it. I know many J.D.s with no job at the moment.
__________________
TC
Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:24 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 18,350
I used to teach an undergraduate informal logic class that typically had lots of students using it to prep for the LSAT's. So any informal logic textbook or critical thinking textbook or class should be helpful on the LSAT's.
__________________
1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:48 PM
dynalow's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbomachines View Post
GREs aren't that bad! There are more people with law degrees than positions out there, even the ABA knows it and has admitted it. I know many J.D.s with no job at the moment.
And I know a few who probably shouldn't even be "practicing" law.

Lt. Kaffee: "I forgot. You were sick the day they taught law at Law school!"


How's the place across the tracks doing these days (post USNWR cheating revelations)? Applications down?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-24-2011, 12:50 PM
Jim B.'s Avatar
Who's flying this thing ?
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: N. California./ N. Nevada
Posts: 3,611
Talking a question on the California State Bar Examination

This was revealed to us in the early 1970's in a law school class

Usually these questions are closely guarded by the State Bar but this one was let out.



~~~~

A terrible storm was raging in the city and around. Visibility was very poor and the roads wee extremely wet and slick. Two automobiles were speeding down 2 different streets. The driver of the first car was speeding. The second driver was not speeding but was driving in violation of a statute which stated you may not drive while intoxicated.

The storm knocked out power in some areas but where these two streets intersected, power was not knocked out but the storm had damaged the street light controls such that the traffic lights in BOTH directions now both showed GREEN.

The municipality's traffic department had been notified of this condition at this intersection 3 hours earlier but had not sent out a crew or done anything else yet to rectify this condition..

The two drivers arrived at the intersection at the same time.


BOOM !!!! There was a HUGE crash.



DISCUSS.
__________________
1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-24-2011, 01:04 PM
dynalow's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by kerry View Post
I used to teach an undergraduate informal logic class that typically had lots of students using it to prep for the LSAT's. So any informal logic textbook or critical thinking textbook or class should be helpful on the LSAT's.
I took the law boards a looong time ago. A friend of mine whose two older brothers had gone on to law school asked me after the test how I thought I did. I said I didn't think I did too bad for taking it cold. He said you probably didn't do too well in that case. The easier you thought you did, so he said, the less successful you were likely to be. I ended up with an average score.

Back then the multiple choice questions were in sections, iirc. Fact pattern, then 4 choices. Next question, different fact pattern, 4 choices, but answer not to be inconsistent with previous answer(s). Tough sledding.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-24-2011, 01:17 PM
dynalow's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
This was revealed to us in the early 1970's in a law school class

Usually these questions are closely guarded by the State Bar but this one was let out.



~~~~

A terrible storm was raging in the city and around. Visibility was very poor and the roads wee extremely wet and slick. Two automobiles were speeding down 2 different streets. The driver of the first car was speeding. The second driver was not speeding but was driving in violation of a statute which stated you may not drive while intoxicated.

The storm knocked out power in some areas but where these two streets intersected, power was not knocked out but the storm had damaged the street light controls such that the traffic lights in BOTH directions now both showed GREEN.

The municipality's traffic department had been notified of this condition at this intersection 3 hours earlier but had not sent out a crew or done anything else yet to rectify this condition..

The two drivers arrived at the intersection at the same time.


BOOM !!!! There was a HUGE crash.



DISCUSS.
First, a question.
How liberal was the Bench in CA in the 1970's?

Well now. What's wrong with the contributory negligence theory being applied to each driver and the state not being reponsible for acts of nature? No winners. Lawyers only losers.
Judge Wapner rules.
Da Peoples Court.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-24-2011, 01:24 PM
lutzTD's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lutz, Florida (N of Tampa)
Posts: 2,461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
This was revealed to us in the early 1970's in a law school class

Usually these questions are closely guarded by the State Bar but this one was let out.



~~~~

A terrible storm was raging in the city and around. Visibility was very poor and the roads wee extremely wet and slick. Two automobiles were speeding down 2 different streets. The driver of the first car was speeding. The second driver was not speeding but was driving in violation of a statute which stated you may not drive while intoxicated.

The storm knocked out power in some areas but where these two streets intersected, power was not knocked out but the storm had damaged the street light controls such that the traffic lights in BOTH directions now both showed GREEN.

The municipality's traffic department had been notified of this condition at this intersection 3 hours earlier but had not sent out a crew or done anything else yet to rectify this condition..

The two drivers arrived at the intersection at the same time.


BOOM !!!! There was a HUGE crash.



DISCUSS.
DUI trumps
__________________

1982 300CD Turbo (Otis, "ups & downs") parts for sale
2003 TJ with Hemi (to go anywhere, quickly) sold
2001 Excursion Powerstroke (to go dependably)
1970 Mustang 428SCJ (to go fast)
1962 Corvette LS1 (to go in style)
2001 Schwinn Grape Krate 10spd (if all else fails)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-24-2011, 04:17 PM
tbomachines's Avatar
ಠ_ಠ
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 7,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynalow View Post
And I know a few who probably shouldn't even be "practicing" law.

Lt. Kaffee: "I forgot. You were sick the day they taught law at Law school!"


How's the place across the tracks doing these days (post USNWR cheating revelations)? Applications down?
As far as I know they're still doing okay but have dropped in rank. After the former dean was arrested in a prostitution ring and guilty of weird condescending emails along with the USNWR fiaso its definitely a big black eye on the whole school. My friends on the program say their classes are still full so I guess its doing well enough.
__________________
TC
Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-24-2011, 05:20 PM
dynalow's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbomachines View Post
As far as I know they're still doing okay but have dropped in rank. After the former dean was arrested in a prostitution ring and guilty of weird condescending emails along with the USNWR fiaso its definitely a big black eye on the whole school. My friends on the program say their classes are still full so I guess its doing well enough.
Zackly what we need -- more lawyers.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-24-2011, 07:18 PM
Joseph_Conrad's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Cleveland Heights via Seattle, WA
Posts: 326
I think the best thing you can do to prepare for the lsat is take a lot of practice lsats. I took a prep course before I took the test and I did just fine. The prep course basically consisted of 10 practice tests, three of which we took in a simulated testing environment. Don't listen to the people who say they didn't need to study and still did really well, they're not the norm. You can improve your scores on all of those standardized tests by studying.

I never ended up applying to law school, but I don't think you can ever go wrong with more education. I worked at a law firm for awhile and my experience there was partly to blame for dissuading me from applying to law school. It was a small firm and the lawyers there were the most unhappy people I think I've ever met.
__________________
1984 300D, 228k, Light Ivory, Java MB-Tex
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-24-2011, 09:18 PM
Yak Yak is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,711
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post

~~~~

A terrible storm was raging in the city and around. Visibility was very poor and the roads wee extremely wet and slick. Two automobiles were speeding down 2 different streets. The driver of the first car was speeding. The second driver was not speeding but was driving in violation of a statute which stated you may not drive while intoxicated.

The storm knocked out power in some areas but where these two streets intersected, power was not knocked out but the storm had damaged the street light controls such that the traffic lights in BOTH directions now both showed GREEN.

The municipality's traffic department had been notified of this condition at this intersection 3 hours earlier but had not sent out a crew or done anything else yet to rectify this condition..

The two drivers arrived at the intersection at the same time.


BOOM !!!! There was a HUGE crash.


DISCUSS.
What's to discuss? Is someone alleging someone else did something? Is there a police report? Was someone charged? The facts are contradictory. Initially two cars were speeding, but then only one car was speeding. How was it verified that a driver was intoxicated? Who manufactured the faulty traffic controls since they're supposed to default to red, not green? Was a Toyota involved with unintended acceleration? Do the drivers have lawyers yet?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-26-2011, 01:26 AM
mgburg's Avatar
"Illegal" 3rd Dist. Rep.
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Onalaska, WI.
Posts: 221
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
This was revealed to us in the early 1970's in a law school class

Usually these questions are closely guarded by the State Bar but this one was let out.

~~~~

A terrible storm was raging in the city and around. Visibility was very poor and the roads were extremely wet and slick. Two automobiles were speeding down 2 different streets. The driver of the first car was speeding. The second driver was not speeding but was driving in violation of a statute which stated you may not drive while intoxicated.

The storm knocked out power in some areas but where these two streets intersected, power was not knocked out but the storm had damaged the street light controls such that the traffic lights in BOTH directions now both showed GREEN.

The municipality's traffic department had been notified of this condition at this intersection 3 hours earlier but had not sent out a crew or done anything else yet to rectify this condition..

The two drivers arrived at the intersection at the same time.

BOOM !!!! There was a HUGE crash.


DISCUSS.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Driver #1: Speeding - Determination made by which method?
Driver #2: DUI - Determination made by On-The-Scene LEOs.
Malfunctioning Street Lights - Not an issue in this circumstance.
MTD: ***** happens. Union CBA allows days to repair lights...get over it.

Short and sweet?

Driver 2 gets ticketed/arrested for DUI/Property Damage/Driving Against Court Orders/Violation of Probation-Court orders to consume no alcohol while under jurisdiction of court and/or probation control.

Driver #1: Ticket for "Driving Too Fast For Conditions."

Malf. SLs: They get fixed AFTER the storm.

MTD: See Union CBA Lawyers and enjoy the dance on the pin-head.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

__________________
.

.
M. G. Burg
'10 - Dakota SXT - Daily Ride / ≈ 172.5K
.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125

.
“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~ Yogi Berra ~
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-26-2011, 08:09 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 86
:musicboo h
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgburg View Post
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Driver #1: Speeding - Determination made by which method?
Driver #2: DUI - Determination made by On-The-Scene LEOs.
Malfunctioning Street Lights - Not an issue in this circumstance.
MTD: ***** happens. Union CBA allows days to repair lights...get over it.

Short and sweet?

Driver 2 gets ticketed/arrested for DUI/Property Damage/Driving Against Court Orders/Violation of Probation-Court orders to consume no alcohol while under jurisdiction of court and/or probation control.

Driver #1: Ticket for "Driving Too Fast For Conditions."

Malf. SLs: They get fixed AFTER the storm.

MTD: See Union CBA Lawyers and enjoy the dance on the pin-head.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-26-2011, 08:38 AM
Kuan's Avatar
unband
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: At the Birkebeiner
Posts: 3,841
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
This was revealed to us in the early 1970's in a law school class

Usually these questions are closely guarded by the State Bar but this one was let out.



~~~~

A terrible storm was raging in the city and around. Visibility was very poor and the roads wee extremely wet and slick. Two automobiles were speeding down 2 different streets. The driver of the first car was speeding. The second driver was not speeding but was driving in violation of a statute which stated you may not drive while intoxicated.

The storm knocked out power in some areas but where these two streets intersected, power was not knocked out but the storm had damaged the street light controls such that the traffic lights in BOTH directions now both showed GREEN.

The municipality's traffic department had been notified of this condition at this intersection 3 hours earlier but had not sent out a crew or done anything else yet to rectify this condition..

The two drivers arrived at the intersection at the same time.


BOOM !!!! There was a HUGE crash.



DISCUSS.

Typical lawyer question with incomplete information and a storm thrown in just to obfuscate matters. You need the speed of both automobiles and the distance between them. After that the solution is simply a matter of summing the series.

__________________
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page