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TheDon 07-14-2011 02:48 PM

discrete math help
 
I need some help from our resident math genius posters. I am working on my discrete stuff and I need help with the following problem

find the gcd of a = -1575 and b = 231, write it in the form alphaX + betab, where alpha , B belong to Z.

we were taught a method like this

-1575 1 0
231 0 1

then find q ( a/b floored if b>o and take the ceiling if b<0)
then r which is : a-qb

and then that makes the next row with the numbers under the 0 and 1 are found by such (1-q(0), and 0-q(1)... the 1 in the first part is from the first row second column and the zero is from the second row second column) Then same idea for the next number. and that method is used down the line.

its hard to explain I guess... I need to do good on this homework so it helps my grade. If anything I can scan in the sheet.

TheDon 07-14-2011 02:57 PM

if you know what I am talking about let me know what you get. I just worked through it slowly, double checking my method and I got, in the proper form

gcd(-1575,231) = -21 = 5(-1575)+34(231)

5(-1575)+34(231) = -21

so I guess it checks out?

jt20 07-14-2011 04:27 PM

certainly not a math genius... but what is the name of the process you are supposed to be learning (ie.. chapter name etc..)? There are a few ways to do this.

Perhaps you can teach us... thats the best way to learn.

leathermang 07-14-2011 05:14 PM

Anytime you are writing anything and are going to use abbreviations you need to spell out what that is the first time ... then you can use the shortened version and people will know what you are referring to..
Not just here... but that is standard practice in English for all writing.

jt20 07-14-2011 07:13 PM

I got the same using Euclid. Nice job.

Yak 07-14-2011 08:31 PM

Can GCD's be negative?

jt20 07-14-2011 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yak (Post 2752176)
Can GCD's be negative?


good catch, buddy.

it shouldn't be.

OP: in the first step, take a -1 out of -1575 to make it (-1)1575 and bring that over so that you get 1575=6*231+189 and carry it through your work.

you could just switch the signs at the end, but it depends on your teacher and how you see it.

21=-5(-1575)-34(231)

TheDon 07-14-2011 11:10 PM

Euclids method is one way then we learned this other way which I have no idea of the name. But apparently I did it correctly.

jt20 07-14-2011 11:11 PM

Are you row-reducing or using a determinant?

You saw Yak's post right?

leathermang 07-14-2011 11:14 PM

Someone needs to share with the lower math people what yall are talking about...

Yak 07-14-2011 11:34 PM

GCD = greatest common denominator.

21 is the largest number that goes into both 1575 (or -1575) and 231.

There are different methods. Euclidean and Matrix are two.

If the teacher expects a linear equation, then your coefficients (alpha and beta) may have the wrong sign and you won't get max points.

I'd review your notes or examples and see if there's anything about "ignore the minus sign".

leathermang 07-14-2011 11:44 PM

I thought that was ' Great Carbon Diode '....
so we are just talking finding largest common factors ?

rs899 07-15-2011 07:22 AM

Quote:

Someone needs to share with the lower math people what yall are talking about...
I disagree. WGAS at our advanced ages. Art history, music, language, I can see, but math? I am checking out of this one....

TheDon 07-15-2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt20 (Post 2752246)
Are you row-reducing or using a determinant?

You saw Yak's post right?

Maybe row reducing. With negative number it was not an issue since it did work out. Maybe I'll scan inmy work later and show you all.

TheDon 07-16-2011 10:06 AM

Here is another one for you all

Prove that the equation 3X ≡ 1 mod 6 has no solutions.

so far I have it solved for x which is x = 2k - 1/3 and then I am stuck

I honestly need help with all of it. I have posted a screen cap of the page this is on.

page 1
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74...24/page2-1.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74...rx24/page2.jpg


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