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Old 07-18-2011, 02:39 PM
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What amazes me is the republicans can say lower taxes, which have been in effect for ,what , ten years, creates jobs and in the next sentence, say President Obama where are the jobs.

And they manage to say it with a straight face, too.

On Meet the press, the CEO of Honeywell said sunday If you want to see an explosion of jobs, just cut the corporate tax rate to ZERO. He also alluded to the public would be up in arms and thats why jobs are not being created.
I wonder what the next excuse would be for them if the corporate rate was ZERO?

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Well, Indiana has a Repub Gov and a state surplus. Over 1 B. Last year it was only 3 mil or such. Let me know if any Dem Gov is doing any better.
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So what would happen if the corporate tax rate WERE zero? Would revenues to the state and federals Treasuries plummet? Or would they increase? Is there any data to support either position?
If employment went up, then revenues, based on new people paying income taxes, would likely increase. Would the increases be sufficient to more than offset the loss of corporate taxes? I don't know.
Do you?
Would we be worse off than now? Again, I don't know.
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When the current tax rates are producing no jobs "common sense" dictates you must cut them even more.
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That is the most intelligent solution I have heard yet.

But is there an alternative Party currently or on the horizon? The Tea Party Republicans seems to be nothing more than Republicans that don't understand how the system works, so I don't see them has having any answers.

I am beginning to like Ron Paul. At least he seems to be focused on the problems at hand although I don't like his notions about disbanding the Fed.

Where did 'The hard stuff we do right now, the impossible takes a little longer' way of doing things in this country go?
Unfortunately for all of US Ron just makes too much sense to get serious consideration--If he ever made it to the ballot even, I would have to vote for this repub, but he's a rino.
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What amazes me is the republicans can say lower taxes, which have been in effect for ,what , ten years, creates jobs and in the next sentence, say President Obama where are the jobs.

And they manage to say it with a straight face, too.

On Meet the press, the CEO of Honeywell said sunday If you want to see an explosion of jobs, just cut the corporate tax rate to ZERO. He also alluded to the public would be up in arms and thats why jobs are not being created.
I wonder what the next excuse would be for them if the corporate rate was ZERO?
They have had the cush corp tax breaks forever--They haven't hired-and are not going too. Excuses Excuses..
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Ron Paul

I think he is the kind of president this country needs.
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Old 07-18-2011, 06:20 PM
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They have had the cush corp tax breaks forever--They haven't hired-and are not going too. Excuses Excuses..
Remember we live in a WORLD economy. Investors are not limited to investing only in the US. If they can get a better return ( however they define that) they will invest overseas. In fact some money mangers have a fiduciary responsibility to try to get the best return.
So if the US, for whatever reason, isn't as good an investment as, say China, then the money, and the jobs flow to China. If we want the US to be competitive, then we need to allow businesses to do what they need to do to compete----or our economy suffers.
We can require all the GREEN efforts we want, but if they put the company at a competitive disadvantage, and the jobs go away, what was the benefit?
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This country now possesses the strongest credit in the world. The full consequences of a default -- or even the serious prospect of default -- by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and on the value of the dollar in exchange markets. The Nation can ill afford to allow such a result. The risks, the costs, the disruptions, and the incalculable damage lead me to but one conclusion: the Senate must pass this legislation before the Congress adjourns.
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This country now possesses the strongest credit in the world. The full consequences of a default -- or even the serious prospect of default -- by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and on the value of the dollar in exchange markets. The Nation can ill afford to allow such a result. The risks, the costs, the disruptions, and the incalculable damage lead me to but one conclusion: the Senate must pass this legislation before the Congress adjourns.
What legislation?
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I think a revolution is needed to solve this.. As well as term limits for Senators and Representatives.

I dont understand how the govt cannot operate with a balanced budget. I do it! I spend and save only what I make
A potential problem with term limits is that it thwarts the voters' wills.

I understand the increasing appeal of it -- hell, it worked well in my state legislature! But it seems a tad anti-democratic.
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What legislation?
The one that authorized Ronald Reagan to raise the debt ceiling. The quote is from President Reagan's November 1983 letter to Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker, Jr.

And now class . . . how many times was the debt ceiling raised while Reagan was president? If you think it's 17, you're smarter than most of those currently in Congress.
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Remember we live in a WORLD economy. Investors are not limited to investing only in the US. If they can get a better return ( however they define that) they will invest overseas. In fact some money mangers have a fiduciary responsibility to try to get the best return.
So if the US, for whatever reason, isn't as good an investment as, say China, then the money, and the jobs flow to China. If we want the US to be competitive, then we need to allow businesses to do what they need to do to compete----or our economy suffers.
We can require all the GREEN efforts we want, but if they put the company at a competitive disadvantage, and the jobs go away, what was the benefit?
The AP had a story over the weekend how Nike can't do anything about the treatment of the people in china's factory making converse gym shoes. There were reports of supervisers throwing shoes at workers and kicking them for making mistakes.

Would that be what your advocating when you say we should let a company do what it needs to compete?

I would think dollar for dollar trade tariffs would help the competition.

Now Nike could always refuse to do business with that company, but, ya know that might hurt the bottom line
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The AP had a story over the weekend how Nike can't do anything about the treatment of the people in china's factory making converse gym shoes. There were reports of supervisers throwing shoes at workers and kicking them for making mistakes.

Would that be what your advocating when you say we should let a company do what it needs to compete?

I would think dollar for dollar trade tariffs would help the competition.

Now Nike could always refuse to do business with that company, but, ya know that might hurt the bottom line
I was advocating nothing--just pointing out some economic realities.
Tariff are nothing but taxes on your own people to make them pay more for imported goods.
Anything we do to the economy has repercussions. Sometimes, it seems that governments think they operate in a vacuum. They do not. You make it prohibitive to make Nike shoes here, they move the factory and the jobs to where they can operate.
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Google: Smoot-Hawley Tariff. These geniuses were going to correct trade inequities through tariff legislation.

Interventionist Republican policy at its finest.

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