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Old 07-27-2011, 09:15 AM
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A trillion here. A trillion there.

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Congress OKs $1.9 trillion boost in debt limit

By Jeanne Sahadi, senior writer February 4, 2010: 4:42 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The House on Thursday approved a record $1.9 trillion increase in the cap on how much the government can borrow.

The House also approved a measure that imposes tougher budget rules on lawmakers.

The votes, which broke down largely along party lines, come one week after the Senate approved both measures.

The legislation, which is expected to be signed by President Obama, will raise the debt ceiling to $14.294 trillion.

The debt limit hike is expected to cover the Treasury's borrowing needs past the November mid-term elections and into 2011. That means lawmakers up for re-election won't need to take another politically sensitive vote before the polls open.

If the ceiling were ever breached, the country would effectively be in default. That would slam bonds, the dollar and creditors' portfolios.

As of Wednesday, debt accrued to date was $12.304 trillion, or roughly $90 billion shy of the $12.394 trillion statutory limit currently in place.

Voting to increase an already record-high debt limit was anathema to the fiscal conservatives in the House known as the Blue Dogs. They have been pushing for stricter "pay as you go" budget rules that would curb lawmakers' ability to run the debt up in the future.

To smooth passage Thursday, House leaders used a procedural strategy to allow the Blue Dogs to vote against the debt ceiling hike but for the pay-go legislation.

The pay-go rules would require lawmakers to find ways to pay for proposed spending increases in entitlement programs or for any tax cuts by offsetting them with higher taxes or reduced spending elsewhere in the budget.

Funding for entitlement programs -- such as Medicare and Social Security -- is considered mandatory spending and not subject to annual review by legislators.

"Today will help usher out an era of irresponsibility and begin putting the country back on a fiscally sustainable path," Obama said after the vote.
Pay-go doesn't reduce the debt already accrued, but it would put the brake on future increases -- a helpful first step, budget experts say.

The effectiveness of pay-go, however, depends on its parameters. The strongest form would not allow any policy to be exempt.

However, the pay-go measure that the House and Senate have now passed exempts some expensive measures, such as the cost of a permanent extension of middle class tax cuts. It would also exempt the Medicare "doctor fix" for 5 years and the extensions of relief from the Alternative Minimum Tax and the estate tax for two years.

Supporters of pay-go often credit the policy with helping the Clinton administration create an annual budget surplus after combating the country's annual deficits in the 1990s. But the pay-go law in place at the time did not exempt any expensive policies, said budget expert Charles Konigsberg, author of the book "America's Priorities."

The United States is already a country of deadbeats and has been for 50 years.
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The United States is already a country of deadbeats and has been for 50 years.
Poor word choice on my part. Failing to raise the debt ceiling will not make us a country of deadbeats. It will make the country itself a deadbeat.
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:45 AM
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Somebody's got to pay for all these wars.
Who do you think its gonna be?

I think the total is up to about 7 to 10 grand per person now.

If I was given a choice, I would rather have paid for healthcare than war.

But I was not given that choice, and was forced to pay for war.

Which would you choose to pay for.

A doctor to take that stray bullet out of you,
or a soldier to put one in you ?
You state that as if those were the only two choices. Obviously a false choice.
As almost everyone knows, you cannot change the past. To continue to wallow in it is simply to waste time and effort.
Rational people concentrate on what they CAN control. We CAN choose to not fund or implement Obama/Pelosi/ Reid Care.
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Poor word choice on my part. Failing to raise the debt ceiling will not make us a country of deadbeats. It will make the country itself a deadbeat.
OMG! The Emperor has no cloths!
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OMG! The Emperor has no cloths!
What does that mean?
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What it says.
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What it says.
You won't even extend the courtesy of answering my question?
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Asked and answered, counselor.
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Asked and answered, counselor.
I may be obtuse, but you're being impolite. To each his own, but I think I would rather be obtuse than impolite.
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That didn't take long.

Congress OKs $1.9 trillion boost in debt limit

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You have been shot at? I didn't know.
Worse than that.

I would have preferred being shot at.
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You state that as if those were the only two choices. Obviously a false choice.
As almost everyone knows, you cannot change the past. To continue to wallow in it is simply to waste time and effort.
Rational people concentrate on what they CAN control. We CAN choose to not fund or implement Obama/Pelosi/ Reid Care.
Maybe you haven't noticed but were still at war.
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The United States is already a country of deadbeats and has been for 50 years.
The baby boomers have had everything handed to them on a silver platter.
And they cry the loudest.
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Maybe you haven't noticed but were still at war.
Yes, we are, and WHO is the current President?

If the locals do not desire our presence, and are not willing to share in the costs, I favor not being there.

What do you think about all this talk about cuts ignores the built-in base line growth? IOW, there are no true cuts from current spending being demanded by anyone. ( Excepting the Cut cap and balance plan) Therefore the debt continues to grow, even under the most "draconian" plan around.
We will certainly default at some time.

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