This is not a car question - but your guidance would be appreciated.

Do you have a suggestion how I could hire a freelance carpenter that is not insured and not put myself in legal jeopardy if he would get hurt working on my house?

I have some carpentry repair work needed done at my house.

I know a carpenter that can do the work.

He does not have business/liability insurance.

Is there a creative way I can hire him, but not be sued if he get hurt repairing my house?

The work is on the second floor - out side.

My insurance carrier reminded me of the dangers of hiring some one without insurance. With business insurance, the carpenter would be viewed, by the law, as a separate entity, and not considered my employee. So if he get hurt, he could not approach me as his boss. That made sense to me.

I currently have $500,000 liability insurance, butr that may not cover contractor work.

I want to give the guy a break, but don't want to risk my finances.

hmmmmmm

Thanks for your suggestions.

BTW - the work is all wood based - replacing some wood that is rotten.

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02 E430 in the stable
'14 LS460 (Lexus)
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'95 E420 (198K) found a new home
'99 E320 (80K) (gave it's life for me as we hit a bumper)
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Pay him cash off the books, don't sign a contract. What carpenter?

A shotgun, a spade and the neighbor's yard is all which is required to forestall any insurance claim from an injured un-licensed contractor.

This is NJ you're talking about -- nothing there is cheap. May be better for him to stay off the state's radar.

I don't know what sort of insurance he would get that would protect you from liability, unless he is going to have others on the job with him who might get hurt. If you are worried that the carpenter will get hurt and make a claim against you, then I think you would be looking to your own insurance for protection. As a major caveat, I have no idea how things are done in New Jersey, so treat these as food for thought.

You might want to run all of this by your insurance agent.

This is a cabin I bought - foreclosure deal. Yes some work is needed

So, the law of the land is PA

My PA based nsurance agent told me to have him buy his own insurance (about $800), and register with the local government.

This would keep him covered, and insure there was an arm length's transaction that would ensure he is not perceived as my employee.

I was hoping to buy a special policy for me - for his work. But insurance agent said no, they don't sell that. I was also thinking he could 'join' another contractor, but that would cost him money also.

I feel bad. I want him to make some money. He has assured me he is careful and will not get injured. Oh I wish that were true.

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Thanks for the help
Bill Fisher

'86 560SL (186K) - Now a 'classic' : Registered as an Historic Vehicle
02 E430 in the stable
'14 LS460 (Lexus)
- - - - -
'95 E420 (198K) found a new home
'99 E320 (80K) (gave it's life for me as we hit a bumper)
'95 E420 (231K) Sold to a happy buyer, new to Mercedes
'90 300E (65K) Sold to an Mercedes Lover
'92 190E (215K) - retired to the salvage yard
'93 500SEL (214K) - Moved to another family, still runs like a young pup

Take the risk, pay cash. Everything's a risk. You did make a mistake by talking about the situation to others, though.

Here is the thing. I my state there is this little thing about knowing something or not. Since you know he is not insured, then there is a great chance you will be liable. But if you did not know, it would be MUCH easier to get off the hook.

We run into this in really old houses that were long ago converted to apartments. If we suspect that the electrical work was not done right, we can continue to suspect but essentially ignore it. But if we hire a contractor to look at it and find out that indeed apartment 1 has some power coming off of apartment 2's meter, then we MUST fix it.

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Do a cost analysis on what it would cost you if he fell and was paralyzed for life verses just hiring someone with insurance.
Sound like your the only one at risk here.
I would hire somebody with insurance.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

In either case, unfortunately thanks to Lawyers, you could be liable.
Wifee's a claims adjuster, commercial insurance, had a guy fall off an apartment building. He had provided proof of insurance (or his boss did I don't remember), but it was fake.

Guess who's insurance is up paying his bills.

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I was always taught to respect my elders.
I don't have to respect too many people anymore.

Don't do it, my uncle did and it cost him a few hundred thousand dollars.

Its not any cheaper, if he does get hurt and lawyer up you will lose a lot of money.

Its always cheaper not to cut corners and hire someone legit.

A lot of trades people have substance abuse problems, seems to run with the business for some reason. Their is a reason he is down on his luck, all you need is for him to get high/drunk and cut off his fingers.

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None of the aforementioned answers are correct.

As a homeowner and a Landlord, the following is factual:

If you have homeowners insurance on your own home, and an individual gets hurt working there, the homeowners insurance policy will cover the loss. This is definitely the situation in NY.

If you have a rental property, however, there is no homeowners insurance, and you must carry workmens compensation insurance for such a situation. Otherwise, the worker can sue you for the fact that he injured himself on your property and you are definitely liable.

I disagree. Post #4 IS the correct answer! Now if you want to talk "legal" or "ethical"...

1. So could his, and then your insurance or you personally would still be on the hook. If you have adequate homeowners' liability, this shouldn't be an issue.
2. What are the actual chances of his getting hurt on the job?