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CAFE Players Settle On 54.5 MPG For 2025
July 28, 2011
By JOHN O'DELL Edmunds AutoObserver Quote:
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Auto industry people I have spoken to say hitting this number will be easy since they expect to sell a lot of electric cars with what is known as MPGe of 120 MPGe in the near future.
If you are an auto maker with an electric program, like all of the ones that have signed on to this deal, you are on easy street. If you are not then you are at rather a disadvantage in meeting your CAFE numbers in 15 years. The bottom line on this is that smaller cars and electric cars will become cheaper since auto companies will have to sell a lot of them and bigger cars will become more expensive in an effort to curb sales. Trucks above 1/2 ton are supposed to be exempt. Expect a lot of 5/8 ton pick-ups to be offered for sale. |
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It won't effect me any, I won't be driving a tin can any time soon.
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And other than that, nothing will really change - in reality, just like they did over the past few decades with safety standards and emissions regulations, the OEM's that signed this deal have found a way to use CAFE standards to get the government to help tilt the playing field against their competition. And Obama gets street cred with the enviros amongst his base - even though in essence it will accomplish relatively little. 2025? He could nigh well have accomplished this overnight - by directing the EPA to adjust our emissions regulations to be in line with Euro standards - where the OEM's already sell a plethora of vehicles that match or surpass hybrid levels for fuel mileage. Another part of the reason the OEM's went along with this deal was to try and call a truce with CA and CARB - to not have to make a 45 state emissions model and a separate CARB-states emissions model of the same vehicle.
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The only thing that will change people's car/engine choice is the cost of fuel.
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Meh, I still want a fuel efficient car, maybe Bentley Arnage T?
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I have a feeling by 2025 things will have greatly changed anyways. Peak oil will occur at some point in the near future.
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As far as the second sentence - I've lost track of how many times we were already have supposed to hit peak oil production in the past 40 years. They'd have had better luck predicting next year's weather. I'd reference you back to your first sentence on this one.
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Keep your Silverado. It drives about the same, is a lot cheaper to own, and is really more useful.
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By 2025 the cost of EVs will be substantially less than any internal combustion motor at which point people won't care about the range. The real challenge will be generating the electricity. Its not impossible but it will take a big infrastructure investment.
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100,000,000 EVs charging every night in this country? No, we don't have the generating or transmission capacity for that. Not yet at least.
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and to ad to this just last night on the news they said the EPA wants to put new restrictions on coal fired power plants.the nebraska public power district said the new reg's would cost over a billion dollars a year.looks like the cost of electric "fuel" is goin up too!my question is.just how does say a prius operate while say in city mode with only the electric motor.does it somehow also charge the battery at the same time??
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Good. I hope the EPA shuts down the coal plants all together. I'm glad I don't live anywhere near one.
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Nissan Leaf charges at 3.3kw/h for 8 hours. Average room AC consumes 1kw/h, central home AC unit 2-5kw/h depending on the size of the house. Its interesting that every black out in the north east happened during a heat wave. I wonder why that is? I'm sure nobody will ever try to charge their EV and run the AC in the house at the same time... right? http://www.absak.com/library/power-consumption-table
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Fine. Enjoy your daily blackouts.
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