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strelnik · #1 08-16-2011, 08:51 AM

A recent protest in a San Francisco subway station was thwarted because the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) system killed/blocked/jammed all cell phone signals for two particular subway stations.

This is illegal as hell.

They could not have done it without using cell phone jammers. which the FCC says are illegal.

Some hotels ALLEGEDLY use these jammers in order to force users to spend money calling through hard-wire systems instead of personal cell phones. There's good New York Times article on this.

They'll prolly use them until they get caught, put them oin the closet, then reuse them when the FCC goes away.

Corporations as government. Hmmm....

By the way, do you go out and buy a cell phone jammers, that's illegal!

And corporations are people too!

Maybe I should start looking for a surplus Piranha or a TRQ-37B set-up and go into business!

tjts1 · #2 08-16-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

This is illegal as hell.

No its not. BART owns the cell phone sites inside the underground stations. They can do whatever they like with them. Have you ever been to the BART stations in question?

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Medmech · #3 08-16-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

No its not. BART owns the cell phone sites inside the underground stations. They can do whatever they like with them. Have you ever been to the BART stations in question?

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It's illegal to jam or intercept a telecommunications signal. (period)

strelnik · #4 08-16-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

No its not. BART owns the cell phone sites inside the underground stations. They can do whatever they like with them. Have you ever been to the BART stations in question?

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So they own the Verizon account that I pay for every month too?

If it was a wireless pay for it site, I would agree.

Buit I don't have a BART subscription, I have a Verizon subscription.

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tjts1 · #5 08-16-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Medmech

It's illegal to jam or intercept a telecommunications signal. (period)

Its illegal to jam, not to shut down the cell phone sites which you own.

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Originally Posted by strelnik

So they own the Verizon account that I pay for every month too?

If it was a wireless pay for it site, I would agree.

Buit I don't have a BART subscription, I have a Verizon subscription.

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You FAIL at reading.

tjts1 · #6 08-16-2011, 09:08 AM

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Statement on temporary wireless service interruption in select BART stations on Aug. 11
Organizers planning to disrupt BART service on August 11, 2011 stated they would use mobile devices to coordinate their disruptive activities and communicate about the location and number of BART Police. A civil disturbance during commute times at busy downtown San Francisco stations could lead to platform overcrowding and unsafe conditions for BART customers, employees and demonstrators. BART temporarily interrupted service at select BART stations as one of many tactics to ensure the safety of everyone on the platform.

Cell phone service was not interrupted outside BART stations. In addition, numerous BART Police officers and other BART personnel with radios were present during the planned protest, and train intercoms and white courtesy telephones remained available for customers seeking assistance or reporting suspicious activity.

BART’s primary purpose is to provide, safe, secure, efficient, reliable, and clean transportation services. BART accommodates expressive activities that are constitutionally protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Liberty of Speech Clause of the California Constitution (expressive activity), and has made available certain areas of its property for expressive activity.

Paid areas of BART stations are reserved for ticketed passengers who are boarding, exiting or waiting for BART cars and trains, or for authorized BART personnel. No person shall conduct or participate in assemblies or demonstrations or engage in other expressive activities in the paid areas of BART stations, including BART cars and trains and BART station platforms.

http://www.bart.gov/

Hatterasguy · #7 08-16-2011, 09:16 AM

If you own the towers you can do whatever you want with them, ie shut them down.

I love the idea of cell phone jammer's, I think they should be standard in every movie theater and restaurant.

Medmech · #8 08-16-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

Its illegal to jam, not to shut down the cell phone sites which you own.

You FAIL at reading.

No need for insults; you are oblivious to telecommunications and apparently communicating to others as well.

Even if AT&T or Verizon themselves wanted to shutdown a site of their own they need FCC approval to do it. Why do I know this? I will give you a few hints.

I work for

At&t
Verizon
All of the above.

Medmech · #9 08-16-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

If you own the towers you can do whatever you want with them, ie shut them down.

Not

Medmech · #10 08-16-2011, 09:42 AM

If you hold an FCC license you are agreeing to maintain sites, for real good reading you should see the rules dictated by DHS for security and integrity of switching centers.

sjh · #11 08-16-2011, 09:49 AM

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It is illegal to do what BART did.

Thousands of commuters were delayed for hours because of those creeps acting like spoiled children.

If it in any way diminishes the ability of those malcontents I hope BART does it again.

How's that for being conflicted?

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spdrun · #12 08-16-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Medmech

It's illegal to jam or intercept a telecommunications signal. (period)

If the station was underground, there would be no cell reception without BART's equipment -- they didn't have to jam it, just turn it off.

spdrun · #13 08-16-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sjh

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It is illegal to do what BART did.

Thousands of commuters were delayed for hours because of those creeps acting like spoiled children.

If it in any way diminishes the ability of those malcontents I hope BART does it again.

How's tha for being conflicted?

The protest wasn't violent. Sometimes people NEED to stop a system for the sake of justice -- keep in mind that someone was murdered by BART cops a month ago.

I'd like to see the US be more like France. When the authorities do something that the people don't like, the people grind the cities to a halt.

Example (for something less serious than a killing):
http://www.righttoride.eu/?p=7383

sjh · #14 08-16-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

The protest wasn't violent. Sometimes people NEED to stop a system for the sake of justice -- keep in mind that someone was murdered by BART cops a month ago.

I'd like to see the US be more like France. When the authorities do something that the people don't like, the people grind the cities to a halt.

Example (for something less serious than a killing):
http://www.righttoride.eu/?p=7383

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We differ.

I live here.

The behavior of the police in general (the State Police are top-level) leaves much room for improvement. However this regional society is profoundly dysfuntional and the police are asked to perform impossible tasks.

That said they do a very good job of obtaining obsence compensation packages.

If any rabble seeks to grind society to a halt I strongly and sincerely want the government to invoke martial law and incarcerate them. Let's send them to France, apparently your role-model of a desireable society.

I'll be gald to direct my tax dollars to that purpose.

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Dee8go · #15 08-16-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Medmech

No need for insults; you are oblivious to telecommunications and apparently communicating to others as well.

Even if AT&T or Verizon themselves wanted to shutdown a site of their own they need FCC approval to do it. Why do I know this? I will give you a few hints.

I work for

At&t
Verizon
All of the above.

So, you think that somehow qualifies you over somebody else with unfounded opinions?