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Old 08-23-2011, 11:00 PM
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Hans-Ulrich Rudel's grave...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqcKCJ1QoKE&feature=related

Interesting, I'm feeling a trip to Germany coming on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PP-4hOWOFE&feature=related

Slightly more famous, the leader of the Afrika Korps and the famous 7th Panzer division in France, known as the Ghost division.

"Only he is lost who gives himself up for lost ”

—Hans-Ulrich Rude

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Old 08-24-2011, 06:12 AM
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Hans Ultich rudel's memoirs, "Stuka Pilot" is a fascinating read.

He was a great airman, still flying in April 1945 3even with one leg amputated and the other in a cast.

He moved to Argentina after the war and a brief internment, where he published a neo nazi newspaper "Der Weg" ("the path") and died in 1982.

But in the war he was a degvoted airman and his memoirs make fopr a fascinating read.

The ballantine paperback version of hismemoirs came out in about 1961 and I had it in my library fr many years,

Shot down over russia in 1941 he e tells a rivbeting story of his escape from the Communists and how he made his way to the German lines.

An unforgettable man and a war hero by any measure. He was one of the leading war "aces" in Germany's war, he shot down so many enemy aircraft.
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Why all this fascination with generals from the 'other side', guys?!
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Why all this fascination with generals from the 'other side', guys?!
Good question. I have that fascination myself though not the reason for it. Perhaps because our own side is already much more accessible to us.

By the way, I dont think Rudel was a fighter ace, correct me if I'm wrong. As a Stuka pilot he gained fame by busting Russian tanks on the eastern front.

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Old 08-24-2011, 01:45 PM
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Why all this fascination with generals from the 'other side', guys?!
Because our side is already well studied and known.

US history of WW2 revolved around D day forward with little mention of everything else that happened before. Remember by the time we got into the war in 1941 almost 42 for all intensive purposes the war was over 2 years old already.

In Japan's case it was about 10 years by that point.

Also the majority of the fighting in Europe, after 1941 took place on the Eastern front. We never fought more than 20% at most of Germany's armed forces up until 1945. 80% and the majority of the best divisions were on the Eastern front. Italy and the Western front were made up largely of understrength, green, old, or tired divisions. This is the only reason our incursion into Europe succeeded, if the Germans were not fighting the Russians invasion would not have been possible.

So anyone serious about studying WW2 in Europe is forced to study the Germans and Russians since they did most of the fighting.
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History does seem to indicate the russians let the germans get far into Russia. When the germans had eventually stretched their supply lines pretty well to the limit then they dealt with them.

Cost to the russians was not much of a consideration. I doubt the other allies would have been willing to pay that high of a price in body counts as the russians did.

It really was primarily the russians that broke the back of the german army at a horrific cost. A german aquaintance years ago that used to sail with me served on the russian front starting when he was seventeen. He told me it was by far the worse experience of his life.
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OT, but I saw an old-timer wearing a Screamin' Eagles hat in WalMart the other day. I pardoned myself for interrupting and asked if he had been a member of the 101st, to which he replied "yes, man years ago." I asked him when, and he simply said "the 40's." I thanked him for his service and told him I'd been to Bastogne a few times and admired what his unit had accomplished. He replied that he'd jumped into Italy and then Southern France, then they made their way to The Bulge. He had been there! He wasn't about to divulge that until I engaged him in conversation and demonstrated that I knew a bit about the history of the 101st. So many of those WWII vets are so very modest. Imagine how many don't have hats or lapel pins on... wish I knew who all to thank!

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