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Old 09-06-2011, 12:54 AM
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Feds raid Gibson Guitars/told to leave US!

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Old 09-06-2011, 03:06 AM
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Hrmm interesting,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk0PCIIRsnY&feature=related

So I guess the problem was/is Gibson's importing of illegal/protected/endangered woods?
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:30 AM
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It is a puzzling story. If his account of the raid is accurate, that's way too far into jack-booted thug territory. I can't imagine they had any indication that Gibson staff were likely to respond violently to a group of, say, 5 or 6 policemen doing an inspection of the wood in question.

I don't go along with the notion that laws in India are of no concern to us. We expect them to honor our intellectual property rights. It frequently doesn't happen but that doesn't mean we want the Indian govt. to do nothing.
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Old 09-06-2011, 08:23 AM
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Huh?

I mean, WTF?
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Old 09-06-2011, 08:37 AM
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Martin Guitars in PA uses exactly the same wood from the same source and was not raided. Wanna hazard a guess as the political affiliations of the two companies?
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Old 09-06-2011, 10:13 AM
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I have a 1975 Gibson Les Paul Standard. I only know about 5 chords but I keep it as a work of art. I guess I should be expecting a knock on the door.
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Old 09-06-2011, 10:44 AM
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Martin Guitars in PA uses exactly the same wood from the same source and was not raided. Wanna hazard a guess as the political affiliations of the two companies?
From the same source? Got a link on that? And is the wood Martin uses processed in the same fashion used by Gibson? That seems to be an issue as well.

I agree that this raid is troublesome, but can we really attribute it to political affiliations?
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Martin Guitars in PA uses exactly the same wood from the same source and was not raided. Wanna hazard a guess as the political affiliations of the two companies?
I have no idea whether this is politically motivated, do you?
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I have no idea whether this is politically motivated, do you?
If it is, then there must be some sort of lame brain behind it. From what I've seen Gibson gives modest amounts to GOP candidates. Martin seems to give more generously to Democrats, but what are we saying here? That someone at Martin pulled strings, so to speak, to trigger this raid? Seems far fetched to me.
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Old 09-06-2011, 11:42 AM
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Some more information here:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/08/31/140090116/why-gibson-guitar-was-raided-by-the-justice-department
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I did a bit of research and there was at least one story that cites a Gibson statement that the investigation arises from a potential violation of a law in India regarding the post harvest finishing of the wood, and that the Gibson CEO is a GOP donor; then makes a giant leap that CF Martin wasn't included in the investigation because it is a Democratic Party donor, but uses same or similar woods in their products.
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Old 09-06-2011, 12:59 PM
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About 30 years ago I imported some wood from Africa. It can be a very tricky business.

There are some woods that are not allowed into the US for one reason or another. If you are in this business you know this because the US State Department tells you all about it.

I was approached by a 'customer' who wanted some very rare wood out of The Republic of South Africa. My first response was why did they not get it from someone who deals in that wood now and their answers sounded lame, so I looked into it.

The wood in question was considered a religious totem to a tribe in RSA and, through a friend I had that lived there, I found that it would take a Safari to secure some. The cost would be quite high, so I told the customer it could not be done. They said cost was no object which was another red flag.

To make a long story short it turned out another wood dealer was behind all of this and was plotting to set me up with the US Wildlife Service and the US Customs Department. I think someone from the US State Department had a short talk with them about how this was a bad thing and if they did it again there might be a legal problem in their future.

But as this pertains to this Gibson thing: If Gibson just ordered up the wood and the supplier from India sent them the wrong type it would be hard for them to tell if the wood looked closely like the wood they have been getting. The Feds would have had no choice but to raid the place since the wood in question is not allowed into the US. Gibson's problem appears to be not with the Customs people but with the supplier in India who may have been duped as well by their supplier.

Or it all could be nothing more than an honest mistake.

And to claim politics had anything to do with this is just too far out there to be practical. Is the claim that if you give to the GOP, and you break the law, you will be held accountable for breaking the law? It has been my experience that if you break the law your political background will do you little good. If you doubt that then call Tom DeLay and see what he has to say about it.

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time to get those recycle bins out and USE THEM......OR ELSE!!!!

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