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$0-1000 | 1 | 4.55% | |
$2000-5000 | 0 | 0% | |
$5000-7000 | 1 | 4.55% | |
$7000-10,000 | 0 | 0% | |
$10,000-$15,000 | 3 | 13.64% | |
$15k+ | 17 | 77.27% | |
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll |
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How much is it worth to you?
There are lots of people who work in lots of different fields here who might have opinions relevant to a problem I'm thinking about at work, so I'm posting this poll to see what people's attitudes are.
Suppose you have a job and are given the option of taking on more responsibilities. How much money would have to be offered to you in order to take on the responsibilities? The additional responsibilities would be hire/fire/supervise 24 people and be responsible for organizing the work they would perform and dealing with any problems arising from their work. Perhaps a good example would be an attorney asked to hire 24 part time attorneys, schedule their workload, evaluate their performance and deal with any problems that arise.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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Hard to say. Depending on what stage I am in life. If I am about to retire and my things are in order to be comfortable, I'd probably turn it down. OTOH, if I am younger, I want to make more money now since I have or will have kids, mortgage, etc, etc.
Another thing is how competent are the people I am looking after? If they are self motivated, it isn't too bad. If they are high school kids, well, that is a different story.
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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke 99 E300 Turbodiesel 91 Vette with 383 motor 05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI 06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI 03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red 03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow 04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler 11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow |
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Much more meaningful poll if it were presented as a percentage of current salary....
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1961 220b: first project car - sold. 2000 CLK 430: first modern Benz - sold. 2001 CLK 55: OMG the torque!!! - sold 1972 280SE 4.5: Baby Gustav 1991 300TE 4Matic: Gretel the Snow Bunny - sold 1978 300SD: Katz the Free Man - given away 1980 Redhead: Darling Wife |
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Assume current salary is $45k and workers are self-motivated.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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In current economical state and ASSUMING you are in your 40s to 50s, I'd say 15K + should cover it
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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke 99 E300 Turbodiesel 91 Vette with 383 motor 05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI 06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI 03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red 03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow 04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler 11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow |
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Are these responsibilities above and beyond the current ones or is there some crossover? Are these 24 employees new hires for new positions or are they (or at least many of them) currently employed and already performing the tasks?
If I'm starting completely from scratch and will need to interview and fill all of those positions and then train them, I'm expecting more compensation than i would if i were taking over an already existing department that might need some expansion.
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1980 300TD-China Blue/Blue MBTex-2nd Owner, 107K (Alt Blau) OBK #15 '06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod) |
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This one.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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Sounds like a right ball ache - if you had a higher option than 15+ I'd have chosen that one.
It sounds to me like the employers are pulling a fast one offering such low amounts. They are trying to get someone on the cheap - they're looking for a hard working sucker.
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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So basically managing 24 people? In many areas that would be considered a full time job, worth more than 15k, do you have any more details you'd care to share?
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I was recently asked to come off the pasture and replace a principal who's having serious medical issues. Pretty much the same scenario. 22 teachers, 10 classified staff. They offered me half what I used to earn and the superintendent said "but you'll be getting your pension too".
Pass....
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You're a daisy if you do. __________________________________ 84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold 04 Honda Element AWD 1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler 1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4 1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting |
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I'm firmly in the "it depends" camp.
Been without minions for a long while. Miss some of it, glad to be rid of it in other ways. At a bit of a plateau in my career, and sure as hell could use the boost to begin working on a retirement fund (thanks, ex-wife), but not looking to work a gazillion hours a week. Assuming a $45k annual salary to start, I'd likely bite at a $5k kind of price tag.
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1961 220b: first project car - sold. 2000 CLK 430: first modern Benz - sold. 2001 CLK 55: OMG the torque!!! - sold 1972 280SE 4.5: Baby Gustav 1991 300TE 4Matic: Gretel the Snow Bunny - sold 1978 300SD: Katz the Free Man - given away 1980 Redhead: Darling Wife |
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It's kind of a long story. When I started teaching 20yrs ago, there were few part-time teachers at our school and we had pretty well paid almost full time department chairs (Science, Humanities, Math etc) who supervised probably around 8 or 10 part time instructors. Now about 85% of our classes are taught by part-time instructors and we have no full-time department chairs supervising part-timers because the numbers simply grew too large for a department chair. The 8 or 10 part time instructors have become 80 or 100. For instance, in my field there were 3 part timers 20 yrs ago and now there are 24.
So now, teachers in individual disciplines like Political Science, History, Anthropology are offered $$ to supervise all the part-time instructors in their field. This supervision involves hiring and firing, scheduling all their classes, ordering all their textbooks and dealing with the associated student problems. The going rate is between $3k-5k per year for approximately 20 part timers. Nobody at the school is actually hired in to do this work. All the people who do it were hired as teachers and then at some point, they were asked if they would do this different kind of work. It is not required that anyone actually do the work as part of their job description. The problem that the school is running into is that no one wants to do the work, for obvious reasons. It's stressful, time consuming, requires good organizational skills, and good people skills, but the pay borders on minimum wage. Unless something is done to change the situation, it's easily imaginable that no one will be willing to do the work and what happens then? The problem is already evident in a number of departments. It's got to this place as a result of a kind of situation where you put a frog in cold water and slowly boil the water until the frog dies. The school has grown substantially over the last 20 yrs. All the frogs that were put in the pot 10 yrs ago are dying and no one else wants to jump into the hot water now that they see the other frogs dying.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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Your additional information confirms my first impressions.
If you are a new frog - don't jump in. Academia in my opinion is already full of enough BS with out having to worry about management BS as well.
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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That's also a bum deal if you're doing it properly and not relying on someone else's notes written in 1983...
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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