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chilcutt · #16 09-13-2011, 11:28 AM

I like how the authoritys/media handle terrorist issues in this part of the world- where terrorists are 99% more likely to strike than they are in the U.S.

The authoritys do their intelligence work. Round up the suspected terrorists- and 3-5 days later the press is informed-and 1-2 days after that the public hears about it.
(Singapore just rounded up Three suspected terrorists with link to Al-Qae'da- it was just a blip on the radar-didnt even make the 7 o-clock news)

There isnt any panic/stress to the public this way.

lutzTD · #17 09-13-2011, 11:36 AM

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I like how the authoritys/media handle terrorist issues in this part of the world- where terrorists are 99% more likely to strike than they are in the U.S.

The authoritys do their intelligence work. Round up the suspected terrorists- and 3-5 days later the press is informed-and 1-2 days after that the public hears about it.
(Singapore just rounded up Three suspected terrorists with link to Al-Qae'da- it was just a blip on the radar-didnt even make the 7 o-clock news)

There isnt any panic/stress to the public this way.

explain how the discussed situation would have been done this way? There was a call from someone on a plane to the authorities saying they had a suspected terrorist. should they have sat down with the suspects and asked their intentions? the guys coming in the plane had no idea what to expect and in the absence of good data they assume the worst and control the situation as they were trained. they did not have days or even hours to plan, they rely on their training to allow them to adapt immediately.

chilcutt · #18 09-13-2011, 12:02 PM

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explain how the discussed situation would have been done this way? There was a call from someone on a plane to the authorities saying they had a suspected terrorist. should they have sat down with the suspects and asked their intentions? the guys coming in the plane had no idea what to expect and in the absence of good data they assume the worst and control the situation as they were trained. they did not have days or even hours to plan, they rely on their training to allow them to adapt immediately.

They would have quietly been approached by under-cover officers after they exited the aircraft, and led to a room away from the public.
Never raising an eyebrow from anyone in the airport crowd.

Intelligence in Singapore/Indonesia is top notch, so chances are very, very good that after checking the passenger list- intell would have known whether or not they were dealing with suspected terrorists to begin with.

All Immigration points are staffed by professionally trained officers, who watch from behind 1 way mirrors, and know which people to detain for various infractions, whether it be a terrorist, drug smuggler, human trafficker, prostitute etc.(this surveillance happens irregardless of some over exhuberant passenger thinking they have spotted a terrorist, and reporting it)

This surveillance goes on 24/7-365.

The authoritys here definately would not have made a big scene like the Swat teams /police entering homes in the U.S. on search warrents , with all of that unnessacary screaming and hollering.

Cool, Calm, Calculated, Proffessional.

MTUpower · #19 09-13-2011, 01:00 PM

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They would have quietly...

... Cool, Calm, Calculated, Proffessional.

You should be telling spdrun to join you in this paradise! You two can post from there and tell us how great it is- only problem is that NYC and the whole USA will find itself so much worse off without his wisdom nuggets to guide. We'll have to muddle on without him, but I think we can do it.

Come to think if it, solving the world's terrorist problems is really easy- we just have to listen to you two!

lutzTD · #20 09-13-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

They would have quietly been approached by under-cover officers after they exited the aircraft, and led to a room away from the public.
Never raising an eyebrow from anyone in the airport crowd.

Intelligence in Singapore/Indonesia is top notch, so chances are very, very good that after checking the passenger list- intell would have known whether or not they were dealing with suspected terrorists to begin with.

All Immigration points are staffed by professionally trained officers, who watch from behind 1 way mirrors, and know which people to detain for various infractions, whether it be a terrorist, drug smuggler, human trafficker, prostitute etc.(this surveillance happens irregardless of some over exhuberant passenger thinking they have spotted a terrorist, and reporting it)

This surveillance goes on 24/7-365.

The authoritys here definately would not have made a big scene like the Swat teams /police entering homes in the U.S. on search warrents , with all of that unnessacary screaming and hollering.

Cool, Calm, Calculated, Proffessional.

it all sounds good, but Singapore is a much smaller nut than continental US, I am comfortable with the way it was handled. the girl was not thrown to the floor and heeled down while they cuffed her and she was upset about not bringing a cell phone but she did have time and wasnt so scared she didnt ask.

spdrun · #21 09-13-2011, 01:15 PM

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You should be telling spdrun to join you in this paradise! You two can post from there and tell us how great it is- only problem is that NYC and the whole USA will find itself so much worse off without his wisdom nuggets to guide. We'll have to muddle on without him, but I think we can do it.

Do you like living in a ****ery that is involved in endless war and strife, and reaps the benefits of that strife in the form of paranoia and the occasional terrorist attack? Why the sarcasm -- if we were out of the Middle East, threw Israel to the wolves, and didn't have to deal with this ****e on a daily basis, it would be a good thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udz5_FdoFGU -- it's not the American culture, it's American meddling. Per the CIA official tasked with tracking Bin Laden in the 90s.

What's up with the rah, Rah, RAH! Dumberica is best attitude on this forum? As far as Singapore, I'd rather live quite a few Eastern European countries before Singapore. No terrorist attacks in a long time, nice people, pleasant cities with a good arts scene, relatively lax law enforcement, etc.

Daman858 · #22 09-13-2011, 01:21 PM

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Do you like living in a ****ery that is involved in endless war and strife, and reaps the benefits of that strife in the form of paranoia and the occasional terrorist attack?

What's up with the rah, Rah, RAH! Dumberica is best attitude on this forum

Why yes...yes, indeed, I do like living here.....dumb stuff and all.

aklim · #23 09-13-2011, 01:24 PM

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Do you like living in a ****ery that is involved in endless war and strife, and reaps the benefits of that strife in the form of paranoia and the occasional terrorist attack?

What's up with the rah, Rah, RAH! Dumberica is best attitude on this forum

And yet you are still here even though you claim to have dual citizenship which should make leaving so much easier and instead trying to see if San Diego will work out. That seems to be the puzzling part. Hate it and have a way out but lack the stones to make the move?

When I felt that bad about singapore, I decided to make the move even though it was hard. Why can't you? If I had dual citizenship (not something I believe in), I'd have been long gone to test my theory out as to how good a place is. Soon as my affairs were in order, I dumped the singapore citizenship. Wifey was the same. What's holding you back? You sound like my brother when he was a kid. Whined about how good he'd have it if he could leave the home now. Dad said "Fine. I'll help you pack". Brother left and had to beg to come back. Never said squat about that again. OTOH, he could have had the great time he thought he had. At least, he had the stones to carry it out and beg to come back. Do you?

spdrun · #24 09-13-2011, 01:24 PM

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Why yes...yes, indeed, I do like living here.....dumb stuff and all.

So do I, but I feel like it's going to hell. Inability to raise taxes. Endless war. Endless spending on counterterror policing. How are we going to pay for the consequences of our meddling in the world, rather than putting our own f***ing house in order first.

I'm glad to have a way out if I need it.

spdrun · #25 09-13-2011, 01:27 PM

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And yet you are still here even though you claim to have dual citizenship which should make leaving so much easier and instead trying to see if San Diego will work out. That seems to be the puzzling part. Hate it and have a way out but lack the stones to make the move?

I feel like there's MONEY to be made off real estate in the San Diego area. There are plenty of foreign investors coming to play in the US market. Why shouldn't I be one of them -- play with properties, then turn them over to a management company when I choose to leave. In short, take advantage of the dumb pigeons that got in over their heads during the bubble and are now flying out onto the street.

But yeah, at the same time I'm wary, because the long term prospects for this country feel extremely dismal, if we're going to continue down the same path of war, paranoia, terror, more war, more spending on useless imperialist projects.

As far as dual citizenship, I've submitted paperwork and am waiting for confirmation -- process normally takes 4-6 months before a passport is issued.

aklim · #26 09-13-2011, 01:38 PM

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There are plenty of foreign investors in West Coast real estate these days. Why should I not be one of them?

Point is, I can afford to buy property, toy with it for a few years, and still have enough left over to pack up and move abroad if the whim strikes me.

Nobody said you couldn't. You just lack the stones to really make a permanent move. Why do you need to be local? As you said, you can make money even from there. In this day of internet and air planes, I refuse to believe you have to be a US citizen if you don't want to be. We are not in the USSR.

You mentioned foreign investors. I suppose you are right. They have the stones to do it from overseas. For some reason, you cannot. As I said, if you felt that badly, renounce your citizenship and do what you want to do from abroad. It can be done. My dad was doing business way back when WITHOUT the internet when he had to use the "telex" thing or land line phone. If you have the stones, do it and show us all. If you don't, all you are is a simple windbag that talks the talk but cannot walk the walk. Chillcutt apparently only takes half the step which is better than the step you are taking. NONE. Lets see you go "all the way" and keep in touch so we can see your progress if you are so inclined.

spdrun · #27 09-13-2011, 01:41 PM

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Nobody said you couldn't. You just lack the stones to really make a permanent move. Why do you need to be local? As you said, you can make money even from there. In this day of internet and air planes, I refuse to believe you have to be a US citizen if you don't want to be. We are not in the USSR.

Why should I renounce? That would limit my choices to living and doing business outside the US, since I would be non grata in the US. Dual citizenship = have my cake and eat it too. The idea is to have as many choices as possible.

aklim · #28 09-13-2011, 01:41 PM

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Jealous that I have dual citizenship while you're stuck living in this country no matter what happens?

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As far as dual citizenship, I've submitted paperwork and am waiting for confirmation -- process normally takes 4-6 months before a passport is issued.

Now I am confused. Do you or do you not have dual citizenship? If you have, you can simply go there and hit the nearest US embassy and tell them to take their passport and shove it. I mean, even if you moved there today, it would take you a while to get settled in with a house and all that. When I got Citizenship in this mess of a country, they took less than 2 months. I would think that a great place like what you have picked out should be much faster.

spdrun · #29 09-13-2011, 01:44 PM

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Now I am confused. Do you or do you not have dual citizenship?

Legally, I'm a dual citizen by birth and I have submitted paperwork demanding a second passport on that basis. It's not something that can be legally denied, hence "confirmation", not "naturalization." Process takes about 6 months if done via a consul in the US, probably shorter if done directly abroad, but I've already started this path so I'll finish it this way.

aklim · #30 09-13-2011, 01:46 PM

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Why should I renounce? That would limit my choices to living and doing business outside the US, since I would be non grata in the US.

Dual citizenship = have my cake and eat it too.

BS. My father does business all over the world without US citizenship. I can fly back to singapore tomorrow if the mood struck me and I have to do business so don't tell me that. I also happen to personally know one of his friends doing business in MI that renounced his citizenship so unless he is doing something illegal and using a fake passport which I know he isn't since I saw him when we went thru customs and immigration, he is able to do business.

Sounds like you don't have the guts to make the big move so you keep whining.