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MS Fowler · #**151** 09-20-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

I would rather mandate that employers pay a liveable wage.

Than it become necessary that these low paid workers need to sign up for social programs just to survive.

Then we will be paying the employees, and not the employer.

You have already paid for most of that mcdonalds cheeseburger before you even order it.

That's why they are 99 cents.

OK, but we have to define "living wage".
The "poor" in this country live better than most of the people in the rest of the world--judging by what they have. In general our "poor" own one or two cars, color TVs, and cell phones. They get to live rent-free, or heavily subsidized--some in communities that working people cannot afford.

IOW, our "poor" are not destitute; how do you give such people incentive to work so they can pay taxes and support others who game the system?
What rationale do you use to determine a living wage, or a minimum wage?

RichC · #**152** 09-20-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

How about this? No social programs OR minimum wage? The country operated quite successfully for quite a long time that way before the progressives of the early twentieth century.

O yes, the country was much better off before the progessives of the 20th century.

The older generation were dying in the streets.

And there got to be so much coal dust in the air that ppeople in the cities wore masks.

Children were forced to take quite dangerous jobs to help feed the family.

And then the great depression.

Quite frankly opinions like yours saddened me.

You have been part of a generation that has had everything handed to you on a silver platter.

You have had it better than any generation before you.
And you have made sure that future generations will suffer from your actions.

It was possible for you to get a good job, and keep it.
Plan for your retirement
You enjoyed good wages, a relitavly safe work environment, and decently clean water and air.

Your generation ran thru all the natural resourses they possibly could to make a profit.
Leaving behind huge amounts of waste in landfills, and pollution everywhere.

You have had it better than any generation on the planet
And have screwed it up for who knows how many future generations.

Now You complain about the people that are trying to deal with your messs.

How they should work harder, for less, with fewer chances to succeed.

Your grandparents would feel shame, and your grandchildren will suffer from your actions.

RichC · #**153** 09-20-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

OK, but we have to define "living wage".
The "poor" in this country live better than most of the people in the rest of the world--judging by what they have. In general our "poor" own one or two cars, color TVs, and cell phones. They get to live rent-free, or heavily subsidized--some in communities that working people cannot afford.

IOW, our "poor" are not destitute; how do you give such people incentive to work so they can pay taxes and support others who game the system?
What rationale do you use to determine a living wage, or a minimum wage?

You aparently haven't been looking around much lately.
There are a lot more people in a lot worse shape than you just described.

Search "tent city"

Then get your church friends together and do what your book tells you that you should do to help someone else less fortunate.

Remember Jesus helped feed the poor, he did not force them into slavery in order to buy food.

TwitchKitty · #**154** 09-20-2011, 10:46 AM

Didn't read this thread and won't.

If a job doesn't provide a living it is just another way to waste time.

If you waste your time you will end up a bitter old person. That is probably the best case scenario.

MS Fowler · #**155** 09-20-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You aparently haven't been looking around much lately.
There are a lot more people in a lot worse shape than you just described.

Search "tent city"

Then get your church friends together and do what your book tells you that you should do to help someone else less fortunate.

Remember Jesus helped feed the poor, he did not force them into slavery in order to buy food.

You must be "assuming" I do not already do that.

sjh · #**156** 09-20-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

..Remember Jesus helped feed the poor, he did not force them into slavery in order to buy food.

1. There are deeply impoverished people in this land I am sure. However, I am equally sure that the majority of what are classified as poor in this country are living at a level of affluence and comfort that is greater than probably 99% of the people who have lived on this planet. I'm not saying their lives are easy but I suspect they have greater needs for psychological health, moral clarity, intestinal fortitude, etc than money.

2. If you are going to invoke Christianity you need to know what you are talking about. If you take all of the statements of Christ from the Bible, particularly after the Transfiguration, you'd have a hard time convincing someone that His message was a social agenda. Hell, redemption, the damnation of Israel, the imminent betrayal and crucifixation, 'many are called but few are chosen,' etc are the topics of discussion.

3. It has become fashionable for critics to select excerpts from 'The Sermon on the Mount' and use that to promote a social agenda. The message from that sermon is designed to inform the audience that the Laws of Moses that they have been following are not all that God requires. In fact what is required, which Jesus delivers in this sermon, is so far beyond the ability of man that Jesus is pointing out that only by becoming a member of His flock can one be acceptable to God.

RichC · #**157** 09-20-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

You must be "assuming" I do not already do that.

Excellent, very glad to hear that.

MS Fowler · #**158** 09-20-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

Didn't read this thread and won't.

If a job doesn't provide a living it is just another way to waste time.

If you waste your time you will end up a bitter old person. That is probably the best case scenario.

Who determines what any particular job is worth?

RichC · #**159** 09-20-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

1. There are deeply impoverished people in this land I am sure. However, I am equally sure that the majority of what are classified as poor in this country are living at a level of affluence and comfort that is greater than probably 99% of the people who have lived on this planet. I'm not saying their lives are easy but I suspect they have greater needs for psychological health, moral clarity, intestinal fortitude, etc than money.

2. If you are going to invoke Christianity you need to know what you are talking about. If you take all of the statements of Christ from the Bible, particularly after the Transfiguration, you'd have a hard time convincing someone that His message was a social agenda. Hell, redemption, the damnation of Israel, the imminent betrayal and crucifixation, 'many are called but few are chosen,' etc are the topics of discussion.

3. It has become fashionable for critics to select excerpts from 'The Sermon on the Mount' and use that to promote a social agenda. The message from that sermon is designed to inform the audience that the Laws of Moses that they have been following are not all that God requires. In fact what is required, which Jesus delivers in this sermon, is so far beyond the ability of man that Jesus is pointing out that only by becoming a member of His flock can one be acceptable to God.

In my opinion, too many people interpret the individual words in religious books, and miss the meaning of the story.

I can sum most of them up for you in just a few words.

Try to do good.

If your not doing that, you have missed something.

elchivito · #**160** 09-20-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

I'm not saying their lives are easy but I suspect they have greater needs for psychological health, moral clarity, intestinal fortitude, etc than money.

Yeah. To be poor is to be mentally unstable, immoral and possess weak character.
The reverse then must be true also. To be not poor is to be mentally healthy, moral and of strong character.

Like Bernie Madoff. Shoot, we oughta just make all those hedge fund managers into saints and start lighting candles to them.

sjh · #**161** 09-20-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

In my opinion, too many people interpret the individual words in religious books, and miss the meaning of the story.

I can sum most of them up for you in just a few words.

Try to do good.

If your not doing that, you have missed something.

One of us has missed something Rich. You have told me what you want of me 'do good'. I'm much more interested in what God wants of me.

Local2ED · #**162** 09-20-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Who determines what any particular job is worth?

Fake News, of course

hill · #**163** 09-20-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You aparently haven't been looking around much lately.
There are a lot more people in a lot worse shape than you just described.

Search "tent city"

Then get your church friends together and do what your book tells you that you should do to help someone else less fortunate.

Remember Jesus helped feed the poor, he did not force them into slavery in order to buy food.

I just love people that were born on third base. Then belittle the kid at the plate with no bat. I really enjoy the the stories about hometown boy who made good, started out on a shoe string (wrapped around 7 figures of stocks and bonds)

There was no way I could have been moderately successful without a roof, food and support in my youth.

MagnumPI · #**164** 09-20-2011, 09:09 PM

Whiners! If your job doesn't pay enough, get another one, or find some other means of generating wealth. If you list a job, and no one takes, you're going to have to pay more. And finally, the government distorts, manipulates, crashes and eliminates markets. Quit running to them to steal other people's money to feed your habits, including eating, drinking, and breathing.
And yes, it is "easy for me to say" since I just moved 250 miles to take a job when I ran out of money.

Local2ED · #**165** 09-20-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumPI

Whiners! If your job doesn't pay enough, get another one, or find some other means of generating wealth. If you list a job, and no one takes, you're going to have to pay more. And finally, the government distorts, manipulates, crashes and eliminates markets. Quit running to them to steal other people's money to feed your habits, including eating, drinking, and breathing.
And yes, it is "easy for me to say" since I just moved 250 miles to take a job when I ran out of money.

Uhh, if you "ran out of money" your probably not the best choice for telling someone how to make money