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This is like that old man that flew down TWICE to FL to claim his winning prize and later wants someone to be responsible for his poor choices. But wait. He wants to have free will too. IOW, I want my cake and to eat it. And BTW, I don't want to become fat from that cake too.
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Absolutely, if a poor person can't afford car insurance and their car is totaled we don't expect the state to help them out. Why, if they can't afford health insurance and they or their child is sick and dying, should it be any different. Life is only worth whatever the individual can pay to preserve it.
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Take personal responsibility for your bad moves. After all, you do reap the rewards of good moves, don't you? Is it fair that your profits are yours and the risks are SEP like the bailed out companies? Profits are their own and risk and more importantly downfall is SEP?
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Can you provide an example of a modern industrial society that has anything like universal health care based on a voluntary (as opposed to a taxed) system? Even a small subgroup which operated that way might be a useful example if there is one.
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The difference being that nobody has suggested that your what-if should come true.
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No. Can you point to a universal health care system based on coercion?
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Yes they have! The internets abound with people clamoring for a zombie outbreak.
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Plenty of those.
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Really? UNIVERSAL as in not a single person gets turned down? Odd, I've not seen one.
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Thanks for the warning. I will keep an eye out for that.
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What other kind is there?
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The proposition is mythical on it's face. "Universal" health care is non-existent.
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That is true, but meaningless in the context of this conversation.
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Hardly. If the point is to make sure no one is turned away, the second 1 person is turned away, it's a wash. The alternative doesn't try to advocate such fantasy. If that's how universal is defined, then a free, open market/society/economy allows everyone the same means and opportunities to acquire the wealth or charity to receive whatever medical services they require or desire. Thus, more universal.
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