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Then stop using the word universal??? That's not what it is. When you can figure out what it is you're actually advocating, then you can start talking to me about how wonderful it is.
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Since you have advocated for a free market system, I think you should figure out what you mean by that. You said that such a system is "more universal." That's an oxymoron. A system is either universal or its not. A free market system is clearly not universal in any sense. And it certainly isn't "more universal" than the socialized systems used in other countries. That's not a terribly satisfying argument I just made, is it? Likewise, your parsing of the word "universal" does nothing to advance your argument, IMHO. |
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So you don't advocate anything, just "universal"? That was my point, you just like to say words that feel good. /
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I'm not the one who introduced the word into this thread. Someone else used the word and I commented on it. I'm sorry that I failed to correct the gentleman for his poor choice of words.
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Step into the real world. "Universal health care' is a phrase used to refer to forms of health care publicly funded and which don't base access to health care on economic class. Obviously, not everyone is treated in such a system. If you get in a car crash and die on the way to the hospital the health care system didn't work for you. If 100 people need kidneys and there are only 10 available then not everyone is going to get a kidney transplant under either a capitalist/individualist system or a universal system.
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Yes, the kind of medical care available in Canada or the UK or France. As opposed to the capitalist bureaucratic insurance company controlled system we have currently.
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So long as you admit they can't be trusted.
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IMHO, you focus on theory at the expense of practicality. You think the government will screw up any sort of universal, or almost universal, health care plan we try. That might be true, but could they screw it up worse than the free market has screwed up the system we have now?
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In medical terms, do you simply think that you can transplant a kidney from one person into another?
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There is no free market. Whatever power insurance or medical companies have was derived from their relationship with the government, which is necessarily funded by theft.
Not to mention ONCE AGAIN, if people have screwed up what is currently taking place, what's to say the same people are magically going to stop screwing it up when they have monopoly power? Because government is god, and fixes everything. |
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What????
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I would say the answer to that is "Hope and well wishes". Maybe it will work out. Then again, we can go hunting for flying pigs.
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