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Old 09-19-2011, 03:29 PM
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What, does it mean, in your opinion?
It means that I don't enjoy pointing out when dems do stupid things.

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Old 09-19-2011, 03:32 PM
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Implying that it was almost a good idea.
Their panels supposedly did as well when mounted flat as they would aimed, reducing complexity and cost somewhat. Chinese manufacture of silicon made the price sink and Solyndra's non-silicon tech suddenly wasn't as attractive.

I'm down on PV in general. Too high tech and the making of it is way toxic. Heat concentration is the ticket IMO. Skyline solar uses mirrors to concentrate sunlight on PV cells, thus getting much more bang for PV buck (and more bang per unit of PV toxicity).
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PV, IMHO, is waiting for a technological breakthrough. I've always liked solar hot water systems. They might not have the big-picture potential of PV, but they sure are simple.
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Old 09-19-2011, 04:01 PM
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It means that I don't enjoy pointing out when dems do stupid things.
Which is why I mentioned about sweeping DEM stupidity under the rug. It isn't unreasonable to say that there are GOP supporters here who are also uncomfortable with pointing out GOP mistakes. Which I said is also part of the issue. Mistakes should be pointed out whenever they occur and not just glossed over if it is my side, howled at if it is the other side. Also, as I said, a DEM elected has less incentive to improve himself since your bias will also have you favor him over a GOP candidate. Nor doe the GOP candidate have as much incentive to improve himself since they know the GOP base is also not enjoying pointing out when GOPs do wrong. Again, lack of incentive to improve. That is a major problem. If I know you will frequent my establishment whether I water down the drinks or not, what is my incentive to make it better?
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I doubt that many politicians are worried about what I think, but I might have swayed a voter or two in my day.

And, before you say it, I am not in favor of sweeping anything under the rug. You'll need to make up something else.
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Old 09-19-2011, 04:10 PM
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I doubt that many politicians are worried about what I think, but I might have swayed a voter or two in my day.

And, before you say it, I am not in favor of sweeping anything under the rug. You'll need to make up something else.
Not you but collectively, that is the attitude of many people. If it is my team, it's not good but that's ok. If it is the other team, I scream and yell. IMO, once you get elected, you are the elected whatever banner you fly. For example, if I hate Obama and he is DEM but is legally elected, Tough. He is my legally elected President. Sure, I'll support him but I also expect the SAME things out of him as I do out of McCain, had he got elected. I didn't agree with the Obama bailouts any more than I agree with it when Bush was in office and started it. As far as I am concerned, it was a mistake that BOTH idiots shared.

Sorry if your posts seem to reflect that. Seems to be that a GOP mistake gets you screaming and yelling whereas if it is DEM, well, it is not good but there are some mitigating factors.
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...Seems to be that a GOP mistake gets you screaming and yelling whereas if it is DEM, well, it is not good but there are some mitigating factors.
Screaming and yelling? Really? I linked to C-Span for God's sake. That is hardly screaming and yelling.
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Screaming and yelling? Really? I linked to C-Span for God's sake. That is hardly screaming and yelling.
Look at your past posts. See your reaction to DEM mistakes as opposed to GOP mistakes and tell me what you HONESTLY see.
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...tell me what you HONESTLY see.
We're done talking about this.
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That would do it.
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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration restructured a half-billion dollar federal loan to a troubled solar energy company in such a way that private investors — including a fundraiser for President Barack Obama — moved ahead of taxpayers for repayment in case of a default, government records show.


FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2011, file photo, Solyndra workers leave Solyndra in Fremont, Calif. Newly released emails show that the Obama administration was worried about the financial health of a troubled solar energy company even as officials publicly declared the company in good shape. An email from a White House budget official to a co-worker discussed the likely effect of a default by Solyndra Inc. on President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign.

Administration officials defended the loan restructuring, saying that without an infusion of cash earlier this year, solar panel maker Solyndra Inc. would likely have faced immediate bankruptcy, putting more than 1,000 people out of work.

Even with the federal help, Solyndra filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection earlier this month and laid off its 1,100 employees.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/obama-admin-reworked-solyndra-1182334.html
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That would do it.
Unbelievable.
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To the contrary.
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Newly released emails show that the Obama administration was worried about the financial health of a troubled solar energy company even as officials publicly declared the company in good shape. An email from a White House budget official to a co-worker discussed the likely effect of a default by Solyndra Inc. on President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign.
Obviously they would be. As would any sitting President would be. That is not news. When a deal goes south, isn't anyone involved in it also worried about how it affects their future? Had this happened in Obama's 2nd term, I doubt he would care as much. If I were retiring from say IBM and I didn't have any investments in it, would I care if the deal I negotiated went south? OTOH, if I am still dependent on the job, you bet I would care. So why should we be surprised that he is worried about his job status?
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Obviously they would be. As would any sitting President would be. That is not news. When a deal goes south, isn't anyone involved in it also worried about how it affects their future? Had this happened in Obama's 2nd term, I doubt he would care as much. If I were retiring from say IBM and I didn't have any investments in it, would I care if the deal I negotiated went south? OTOH, if I am still dependent on the job, you bet I would care. So why should we be surprised that he is worried about his job status?
Ever heard of the "big picture"? Do you think that the overall point of the article was expressing surprise that the people in the administration where conscious of political ramifications? If one takes that particular circumstance out of its context it's easy to get distracted into wallowing in some irrelevancy.

Seems that the point was that in addition to the particular email there was a fairly wide spread awareness of Solyndra's unsoundness that pervaded the administration functionaries and despite that awareness the charade of soundness was perpetuated at least right up until the filing of bankruptcy. This stark reality is in direct contrast to the impression that the administration had/has been putting forth that Solyndra was just a great idea lacking only the capital to realize it. Administration players would not have been postulating the political ramifications of Solyndra's failure if the company and its thesis of business success had merit beyond the wishful thinking, pie in the sky "green economy" agenda boondoggle of the Dear Leader and his constituency.

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