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Old 09-28-2011, 10:16 PM
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Didn't ignore your clinging tenaciously to a convention. Comparing things to another thing is what we do as a species. By convention, we agree on a standard. It doesn't convey a special attribute other than popularity. A convenience. Like SI units. It could be furlongs, slugs and fahrenheit. The relationship stays the same. Just different constants.

It is a fundamental characteristic of nature that space is a medium. Were it not a medium it would not be deformable. That you argue with that fact is kind of silly, but you ran with it.

Then you introduced the ad hominem as part of your argument, which set me off because I thought that was cheap shot. Unfortunately, I sought to return in kind. You seem to have forgotten that little bit. Go back and look. You began with the whole puerile exchange (to borrow a wholly appropriate term from your usage in another thread). Until you did that I was okay with the give and take. But you personalized it. Your card. I followed suit.

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I've quoted every action.

You introduced the insults, not I.

You claim differently. Fine; quote it & the evidence will speak for itself.

If not I have both provided technical basis for my comments and your introduction of rudeness.

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Old 09-29-2011, 08:00 AM
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Old 09-29-2011, 12:09 PM
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Didn't ignore your clinging tenaciously to a convention. Comparing things to another thing is what we do as a species. By convention, we agree on a standard. It doesn't convey a special attribute other than popularity. A convenience. Like SI units. It could be furlongs, slugs and fahrenheit. The relationship stays the same. Just different constants.

It is a fundamental characteristic of nature that space is a medium. Were it not a medium it would not be deformable. That you argue with that fact is kind of silly, but you ran with it.

Then you introduced the ad hominem as part of your argument, which set me off because I thought that was cheap shot. Unfortunately, I sought to return in kind. You seem to have forgotten that little bit. Go back and look. You began with the whole puerile exchange (to borrow a wholly appropriate term from your usage in another thread). Until you did that I was okay with the give and take. But you personalized it. Your card. I followed suit.

Want to play nice? Fine with me.
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Old 09-29-2011, 12:27 PM
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The basis of 20th century physics are based on light in vacuo.

The claim that it is also constant in a medium is believed to be correct but is derived from the first sentence which is the basis.

Typically one states the fundamental statement and not the derivatives when discussing the matter.

There actually are no fundamental statements expressing that light is constant in a medium. That is assuming homogeneity and certain properties of matter.

Since we are discussing our most precise discipline, physics, it is beneficial that one learns and expresses the fundamentals.

If a student wrote on a test that the C was constant in a substance when asked the basis for Einstein or Lorentz if they answered as you have stated they would receive partial credit.

I have given a more precise answer. You can argue that empty space is a medium, that's fine. Nevertheless the physicist will state, "in vacuo OR in media if asked for the value of C. Since that is how those in the discipline use the terms that is how I will use it in these conversations.

If arguing that your understanding of the term is such and such that's fine. However, when discussed by those in the discipline the terms are used as I have stated.

If you show me where I insulted you or made a factual error I will retract it.

I have shown where you have both mis-characterized my statements and insulted me.

You have not offered a retraction or acknowledged your actions.
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Assuming for yourself a professorial role in myself, a wayward student. WHo are you to assume that role? Get over yourself. Write as an equal or STFU.
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