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Old 10-27-2011, 09:51 AM
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Then in all fairness, lets make sure it is a life we are terminating. Use the same tests that the ER would use to determine death. If it is NOT alive, proceed

If alive, remove fetus and put it into someone who is willing. After all, the host should have the right to say who stays and who goes. I cannot expect you to host someone because I like them if you are unwilling. You want, you got.

I think you are proposing a viable solution.

BTW, if it has a heart beat, it is alive.

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The amendments would not state that the fetus is alive. They would state that it is a person. Big difference.
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The amendments would not state that the fetus is alive. They would state that it is a person. Big difference.

Either way, if it's a person or if it's alive, killing it is murder.
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Either way, if it's a person or if it's alive, killing it is murder.
By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion? Is it murder to kill a spider since it is alive? Is it murder to assist in a suicide of a human? Is suicide murder?
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A great amendment. Of course if you enjoy murdering unborn human beings, then it's easy to see why you would not like it.
So I'm thinking you must not describe yourself as a strict constitutionalist, eh Larry?
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Larry has pretty consistently been refusing to respond to any questions about his philosophy of law so I doubt you're going to get a defense of constitutional law now.
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"murder" is a legal construct defining a crime requiring specific intent. The charge of "murder" has defenses.
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Old 10-27-2011, 11:26 AM
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I think you are proposing a viable solution.

BTW, if it has a heart beat, it is alive.
Not according to the US Constitution.
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Old 10-27-2011, 11:43 AM
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BTW, if it has a heart beat, it is alive.
Fair enough. So lets go on with your standard for a bit and see what you really think of it.

IF I shoot your kids in the head but keep their heart beating as I can with modern technology, much like Terry Schiavo, is that murder or just plain assault? It isn't murder since the heart is beating, right?

When you are wheeled into the hospital, what standard is used for determining death? If the heart stops, it's over as far as you are saying. So CPR isn't necessary since they are dead?
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Either way, if it's a person or if it's alive, killing it is murder.
These are not equivalents. All people are alive, not anything that is alive is a person. Persons according to the COTUS have certain rights. Not everything that is alive has rights.
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The Constitution does not have a definition of "life" per se. The decision in Roe recognizes potential change in technology which may advance "viability."
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What happened to your commitment to the Bible? I thought your first principle was to consult the law of God? Biblical law is pretty clear that a fetus in utero is not the equal of a born human.
Kerry, can you tell me where in the Bible that it says that? I want to read it for myself.
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Kerry, can you tell me where in the Bible that it says that? I want to read it for myself.
Exodus 21:22-27. A miscarried fetus is not taken to be the equivalent of a born human.
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There you go again, trying to use your silly logic and reason so Larry runs away and hides. Good job guys. You probably hurt his feelings too.
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Exodus 21:22-27. A miscarried fetus is not taken to be the equivalent of a born human.
Bible v Bible?

Seriously though, miscarried is a serious disclaimer.

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