"Personhood" Amendments on Ballots - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Skippy · #46 10-27-2011, 06:53 PM

Yes. Just get on the correct side of a border and it's all good.

Hatterasguy · #47 10-27-2011, 09:09 PM

Meh to many people in the world, abortion also seems to reduce crime.

aklim · #48 10-27-2011, 09:46 PM

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Not much that I know of. The Bible never mentions abortion so the best you can get are inferences and the one I mentioned is about the only one I think.

As far as the bible goes, if someone is silly enough to believe it, fair enough. Why should anyone else be ruled by it if they don't believe it? Just because YOU got suckered into it don't mean I have to come along for the ride.

Botnst · #49 10-27-2011, 09:48 PM

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If the fetus dies, the punishment is a payment of money. If the woman dies, the punishment is death. The fetus is not considered the equivalent of the pregnant women when it comes to punishment.

Not just the payment to the judges but also "he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him;...".

Botnst · #50 10-27-2011, 09:50 PM

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I'll bet it predates CU vs FEC. Want to take the bet?

No takers for #9?

Honus · #51 10-27-2011, 09:58 PM

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No takers for #9?

I have never read the Citzens United case, so I don't really know what the true issue was, but it has been commonplace in the law to define "person" to include corporations and other entities. The Virginia Code, for example, defines the term as follows:

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§ 1-230. Person. "Person" includes any individual, corporation, partnership, association, cooperative, limited liability company, trust, joint venture, government, political subdivision, or any other legal or commercial entity and any successor, representative, agent, agency, or instrumentality thereof.

I don't know when they started using that definition. It's been there as long as I can remember. It is quite a leap, though, to go from that sort of legal definition to the conclusion that corporations have First Amendment rights.

Botnst · #52 10-27-2011, 10:03 PM

It is what it is until it ain't any longer.

aklim · #53 10-27-2011, 10:04 PM

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It is quite a leap, though, to go from that sort of legal definition to the conclusion that corporations have First Amendment rights.

I'd love for someone to do a "compare and contrast" between pre-SCOTUS decision and post-SCOTUS decision as to how they came up with the "Corporations are people" slogan.