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Old 10-26-2011, 11:31 PM
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Baby Hitler Parents Lose Custody of All Three of Their Kids

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Parents who named two of their children "Adolf Hitler" and "Aryan Nation" lost custody of all three of their children Thursday, even though they say a New Jersey appeals court found no evidence of abuse, ruling the children have been taken away without cause, MyFoxPhilly reports.
I'm a bit torn about this. On the one hand this is a free country (well, kind of free) and you should be able to do as you choose so long as no one is hurt. On the other hand, I think this does hurt the children. These are names that carry history with them. I doubt many parents would let their kids anywhere near Adolf and Aryan. Who would employ them? The only future they have is as a racist/bigot. I think it is neglect in a manner of speaking. I just do not care for the slippery slope it may open up.

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Taking their children away is unconstitutional.


You, as the observer, have no idea what these children will become and have no place to speculate.

That does not mean I condone it. They should be allowed to do as they please. There are far worse (and more common) examples of how parents set their children up for failure later in life. Obesity is one example.
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Old 10-26-2011, 11:54 PM
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Who would employ them? The only future they have is as a racist/bigot. I think it is neglect in a manner of speaking. I just do not care for the slippery slope it may open up.
I do believe there is a legal process for a person to change their name when they get old enough so why does that leave them only one future? Tomorrow, if I so choose, I can legally change my name to something different so where is the issue? As a juvie, it is the parent's responsibility to do as they see fit, name wise.
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This goes beyond naming your kid Moon Unit or something like that. Growing up for 18 years with one of the most infamous name sin the world is not a cake walk. That stacks the deck against the kids.
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What was your position regarding the parents who refused to take their child to the hospital for religious reasons and the child died?

Was it cancer?... I forget

Here's one on diabetes.
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NJ is the most Jewish state in the US after New York. Not really surprising, though still unconstitutional. As someone who never met his grandfather since he was killed fighting Hitler in the resistance, I'd like to pimp slap those parents myself. Not take away their kids. Just pimpslap some sense into their micro minds.
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What was your position regarding the parents who refused to take their child to the hospital for religious reasons and the child died?

Was it cancer?... I forget

Here's one on diabetes.
I think the diabetes case is definitely neglect.
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I would have to agree, it is neglect unless the young person was adamant... but I can also see how not all Americans can be expected to abide by the current norms / expectations (especially those offered by ONE particular thought of medicine).

Just because a drug is out that can save my life does not mean I commit suicide by refusing to take it. I refuse to take it because my belief system / conscious tells me it is wrong.

Who is the state, and the collective conscious, to tell me what is right for me?
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Old 10-27-2011, 01:19 AM
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I minor does not have the right to consent as far as I am aware. I understand if a drug is experimental but diabetes to keep with your example is easily treatable. With out treatment the kid dies, with treatment, the child can lie a healthy and productive life.

Naming a kid after an infamous mass murderer is abuse of a different kind in my opinion. The kid has no say for the first 18 years. He will have no chance of escaping that name and all that goes with it. Does the child have no right to a normal life? Do the parents have the right to make that decision for him?
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Common sense and common practice are not the same thing and neither one is in common use today and I think a little of either one would have gone a long way in this instance.

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This goes beyond naming your kid Moon Unit or something like that. Growing up for 18 years with one of the most infamous name sin the world is not a cake walk. That stacks the deck against the kids.
I realize that. However, there is still the issue of parental control over the child. While this might make a good case for taking the kids away, I am leery of how good a case the next one will be if this stands. And how about the next one and the one after that.
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no matter what, you should be able to name a kid what you want, however offensive and stupid, but according to the article, looks like they may have lost the kids due to cause-

"However, the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home."

Sounds like the real story is a difference of opinion between appeals courts on what kind of domestic violence exists in this house. Asinine names for the kids seems likely incidental to the real issue of whether or not these kids are in a dangerous home.

1. Are these parents ignorant racist ****heads? Yes.

2. Should they be allowed to name their kids after some of the most evil men and causes in history? Yes, that is their right. After all, to the Ayran Nation, Hitler might as well be Jesus, they are naming the kids after the patron saint of their cause.

3. Is the home dangerous for these kids? Maybe, sounds like a regular court and an appeals court already decided there was too much violence in the house, and a second appeals court disagrees.


I think its more than likely that these ****head parents are using the names of their kids to create a media sensation which may obscure what the true issue is here. That a pair of jackbooted thugs for parents may be violent in the home towards eachother or their kids.

Legally, the kids future should be decided based only on further analysis of the parents domestic violence charges. After all, even in foster care, the kids would still have the same names.

Personally, I have long believed that we should follow the example of Singapore and bring the practice of bamboo caning to this country as punishment. I would very happily watch a public caning of these two idiots.




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Old 10-27-2011, 11:40 AM
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Naming ones kid Moon Unit as opposed to Hitler are night and day IMO. Moon Unit will get some side ways looks and a few chuckles. Naming your kid Hitler will get you nothing. No friends unless they are neo-nazis, no job unless they are neo-nazis and a life of being ostracized by everyone except neo-nazis. The kid has no say in this. I see little difference in this and verbal or mental abuse by parents.

I am all for parents being allowed to raise their children as they see fit. How ever we as a society have determined that abusing ones children is not legally permissible. I believe this is a strong case for abuse, physical abuse aside. As Aklim pointed out, I do not know how strong the next case will be but that is why we have courts. These cases are determined on an individual basis.

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