What should NCAA do to Penn State? - Page 15 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

tbomachines · #**211** 07-23-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

You say all this stuff matter of fact-ly, like its perfectly allright? I just dont get it. This is the kind of stuff that would normally be uncovered on some pbs expo show. And is a perfect example of a ridiculous waste that students should NOT have to pay for--and keep paying for in the future -like in forms of student loan interest.

And guess what I didn't have to go there if I didn't want to. I could have easily gone to CC.

tbomachines · #**212** 07-23-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JMela

Ain't nothing free, to use my favorite double negative. The money passing through the NCAA to these programs is massive. As a non-profit, The NCAA cartel pays no tax, pays nothing to its players and pockets millions in profits.

Well yeah obviously it was part of the expense of tuition

JMela · #**213** 07-23-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

What does a free ride to a university amount to? Not to mention the opportunity to obtain an otherwise unobtainable education for the majority of scholarship athletes?

Well sure, scholarship should be considered compensation. That said, NCAA's graduation rates for bball and football are sad, 60-something percent, I think? U of CT's Huskies, 2011 NCAA champs, graduated 31% of their players. Of what value is a scholarship when these guys can't or won't do the work?

NCAA's tv contracts are in billions and this is big biz for these schools. These guys are playing for peanuts.

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

Well yeah obviously it was part of the expense of tuition

Tuition alone doesn't cover much. Try:

+ NCAA kickback/ tv fees
+ Alumni donations
+ State & local taxpayer funding
+ Corporate sponsorships
+ Product Contracts

Good (but lengthy) article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/?single_page=true

MTI · #**214** 07-23-2012, 06:49 PM

The NCAA has a tv contract with CBS and Turner for about $10B over 14 years; the monies are then passed down to the conferences and schools on an annual basis. The NCAA retains a portion to fund the championships in each sport and the admin costs of the NCAA.

Graduation rates . . . the responsiblity of who(m)? In most Div I schools, there is no shortage of study halls, academic tutors and other resources for the student athletes, compared to the rest of the student population.

Kuan · #**215** 07-23-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

And guess what I didn't have to go there if I didn't want to. I could have easily gone to CC.

For four years?

Where you go to school matters. The top companies do their recruiting from a select number of schools. There are other ways in, but the quickest way is to be there when they are recruiting.

t walgamuth · #**216** 07-23-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JMela

The NCAA has directed that the $60mm is to be paid into an "endowment for programs preventing child sexual abuse and/or assisting the victims of child sexual abuse,". None of these programs can be operated by Penn State.

The civil suits (and outsized settlements to victims) are probably just getting started.

Good.

SwampYankee · #**217** 07-24-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JMela

The NCAA has directed that the $60mm is to be paid into an "endowment for programs preventing child sexual abuse and/or assisting the victims of child sexual abuse,". None of these programs can be operated by Penn State.

I still contend they should have been able to continue football operations and retain bowl eligibility but have all football revenues directed towards various charities and victim advocate groups for the next 10 years. 10 x $60MM could have gone a lot further than $60MM (which is actually broken down into 5 yearly payments of $12MM). 108,000+ occupied seats every Saturday during the season could have really been put to good use.

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Originally Posted by JMela

The civil suits (and outsized settlements to victims) are probably just getting started.

That's where the real penalties will come.

Dudesky · #**218** 07-24-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

And guess what I didn't have to go there if I didn't want to. I could have easily gone to CC.

I saw you down the Skeller many a time.

Air&Road · #**219** 07-24-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

The NCAA has a tv contract with CBS and Turner for about $10B over 14 years; the monies are then passed down to the conferences and schools on an annual basis. The NCAA retains a portion to fund the championships in each sport and the admin costs of the NCAA.

Graduation rates . . . the responsiblity of who(m)? In most Div I schools, there is no shortage of study halls, academic tutors and other resources for the student athletes, compared to the rest of the student population.

So there are no study halls and tutors for non athletic students? Big surprise!