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tbomachines · #16 11-11-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

Please, all VWs are money pits. It only gets worse once they're out of warranty.
2006 VW TDI DSG- CONFIRMED DUAL MASS FLYWHEEL FAILING - YouTube
2006 VW Jetta TDI Frustrations-- LemonAide (sic) - YouTube

First year models....

TylerH860 · #17 11-11-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

First year models....

DSG is going to be their undoing though.

tjts1 · #18 11-11-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

First year models....

And they have it all sorted out now... oh no nevermind.
2010 vw gti DSG Transmission Failure, 2nd time - YouTube
2009 Jetta TDI DSG Transmission Problem- False Neutral Part 2 - YouTube

And while we're having fun
VW Golf 1.4 TSI 170 Twin charger Timing Chain Failure - YouTube

tbomachines · #19 11-11-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

And they have it all sorted out now... oh no nevermind.
2010 vw gti DSG Transmission Failure, 2nd time - YouTube
2009 Jetta TDI DSG Transmission Problem- False Neutral Part 2 - YouTube

And while we're having fun
VW Golf 1.4 TSI 170 Twin charger Timing Chain Failure - YouTube

Yes, I'm sure you can keep finding individual examples of cars failing...but unfortunately you can do the same for ANY manufacturer. The DSG has been a point of contention, time will tell if the new DSG boxes will stand up better than the first ones. GTIs and GLIs people flog the **** out of them, especially with launch control. I'm not saying VWs don't fail, I am saying they have improved, especially since 2006. The Golf line seems to be better than the Jetta line, FWIW. I agree with Tyler, if there is one major point that will fail it IS in fact the DSG. There have been some reports of the intake assembly getting funky on the 2.0 TSI engines.

sfloriII · #20 11-11-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

Please, all VWs are money pits. It only gets worse once they're out of warranty.
2006 VW TDI DSG- CONFIRMED DUAL MASS FLYWHEEL FAILING - YouTube
2006 VW Jetta TDI Frustrations-- LemonAide (sic) - YouTube

I'm sure a few are money pits and a few aren't. I've owned a couple Mercedes that were horrible money pits!! I've never owned a more reliable car than my little diesel VW-- 'course I've also made sure it got all its required maintainance on time.

4x4_Welder · #21 11-11-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

Anyone know the reasoning behind the dual mass flywheel?

A diesel will rattle a manual transmission pretty well with a solid flywheel, the Ford/International 7.3 IDI engine was notorious for wearing out the ZF S542 it was coupled to due to low rpm vibrations on the power stroke. The dual mass flywheel has one solid steel disk bolted to the crank, and another steel disk attached usually by springs that the clutch then rides on. Failure of this cushioning lets some pretty bad things happen.

compu_85 · #22 11-12-2011, 12:21 AM

Some gassers have DMFs. And I'd bet that modern Mercedes with a manual have DMFs, and that they have the same problems as all the other cars with them.

Mine made it 240,000 miles. There was about 1/3 the life left on the clutch.

I find the burnt out VW picture funny... how many W126s burnt down because of the design of the leaf collection trough under the brake booster?

I will agree that VW has never, ever made a good chain drive system.

catmandoo62 · #23 11-12-2011, 09:17 AM

my mexican jetta has 443,000 miles.

compu_85 · #24 11-12-2011, 09:18 AM

A Mexican line worker can install a faulty Delphi brake light switch just as well as a German line worker

-J

chilcutt · #25 11-12-2011, 09:52 AM

VW cost too much to repair in my estimation. I just bought a Peugot 'Partner', diesel 1.9 mini-van...couldnt be happier. Cockpit is totally soundproof, fiesty engine, perfect inner-city run about.

ImBroke · #26 11-13-2011, 07:53 PM

Nice burnt VW pic, but what's the point? There was a board member on here that posted pics of his 123 burning.

compu_85 · #27 11-13-2011, 08:01 PM

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VW cost too much to repair in my estimation.

Compared to what? A MB? There are fewer parts and they generally cost less.

-J

tjts1 · #28 11-13-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by compu_85

A Mexican line worker can install a faulty Delphi brake light switch just as well as a German line worker

-J

At $2/hour you can be sure that Mexican line worker won't even bother trying to install it

compu_85 · #29 11-13-2011, 08:20 PM

Actually the Mexico plant was rated higher for quality than the German plant for a while. My car only had one assembly error, the adjustment of the trunk latch, which was easily corrected.

If you make a blanket statement saying the country of assembly has a major part in a modern car's quality you are not speaking from experience.

-J

tjts1 · #30 11-13-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by compu_85

Actually the Mexico plant was rated higher for quality than the German plant for a while. My car only had one assembly error, the adjustment of the trunk latch, which was easily corrected.

If you make a blanket statement saying the country of assembly has a major part in a modern car's quality you are not speaking from experience.

-J

Oh yeah totally, I believe that.

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David Sargent, vice president of global vehicle research for J.D. Power, says VW's consistently poor quality ratings indicate "they haven't made a huge amount of progress."

"In terms of the root cause, it tells me that it [quality] hasn't been an overriding priority that it has been at some brands. Contrast them with Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Ford or GM where they have been heavily focused on getting the fundamental quality of the vehicle right."

Sargent says vehicle quality is costing VW customers.

"The perception of reliability is the No. 1 reason why people choose one vehicle vs. another," he says. "Poor reliability will slow down your sales. It makes it harder to grow."

Trahan, a frank-talking executive with a wry sense of humor, says the Jetta wind-noise problem is an example of how VW has been tackling U.S. quality problems with a new rigor and new procedures involving German quality and manufacturing executives. U.S. quality team members are getting input early in vehicle development, he says.

"What we did is layer on processes that capture more perspective from the eyes of the customer," Trahan says.

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