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tbomachines · #16 11-17-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kip Foss

I was born and raised in the South. I have worked with blacks and Hispanics during my working life in Texas and with all colors all around the world. From what I have experienced esp. in Texas I have to mostly agree with my original post. Many whine about their situation but do little to get themselves out of it. They complain that all the shops in their area of town are owned by Asians, but when I remind them every one of those store was for sale before the Asians bought them and they had the same opportunity to buy they have no answer.

No one forces the black kids to drop out of school. No one forces them to sell drugs or steal cars, or do home invasions. Certainly there is still racism in the US just as there is among the black in Africa bur the blacks have much more opportunity in the US but it seems not many avail themselves.

In the job I just retired from after 18 years only one or two of the 15 or so blacks I worked with were worth the effort. They were all nice people but the certainly were not the first ones on the job site when the work started. Granted there were a few whites there that were not worth shooting but the percentage was a lot less.

Great. Again, look at our power structures. I will not go into Foucault but he was a very influential thinker in self-government and power structure. I am not surprised at your views, nor am I here to denigrate them but rather to (hopefully) educate. IF (which I suspect you are not) you are in a city with socioeconomic disparity (which, statistically is the biggest factor drawing violent crime) you will understand that minorities historically, and therefore currently are subject to lackluster education, motivation, and ambition. If you need any evidence, look at education and dropout rates in urban public schools. The issue is much, MUCH deeper within our national psyche than you realize. From your previous posts I am actually quite surprised you take this position with such vigor Kip.

Edward Wyatt · #17 11-17-2011, 01:05 AM

[QUOTE=kip Foss;2829526]I was born and raised in the South.

No one forces the black kids to drop out of school. No one forces them to sell drugs or steal cars, or do home invasions. Certainly there is still racism in the US just as there is among the black in Africa bur the blacks have much more opportunity in the US but it seems not many avail themselves.

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Only blacks drop out, sell drugs and steal cars? I guess all the white trash meth heads that hock anything they can steal are just my imagination.

Kuan · #18 11-17-2011, 07:04 AM

My disagreement bolded in red below:

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Originally Posted by kip Foss

And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'... and that's OK..

No, not OK

But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head, Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.

No, not OK either

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

Untrue. If that were the case Russian slums and Hong Kong ghettos would be crime free

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day.

You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.

You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.

You have the NAACP. You have BET.... If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.

It's drilled into our heads while we're in elementary school. No need for white history month/day/week

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.

Look at the disparity. Do white people need more help?

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that??

The Hispanic market is the largest growing segment of the economy. Would you not seize the opportunity?

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.

No rules against that

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.

That's been the case for years.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US .. Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.

Historically Black. There are no rules as to who can attend.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

What more rights do you want?

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

KKK

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

Can't remember when in recent history.

I am proud.... But you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists??

There is nothing improper about this e-mail.. Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on. I sadly don't think many will. That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't stand up for ourselves!

What rights have you lost? Your rights are everybody's rights. Your rights are reinforced when the rights afforded to you by the Constitution of the United States are equally applied across the nation.

BE PROUD TO BE WHITE!

It's not a crime YET... but getting very close!

It is estimated that ONLY 5% of those reaching this point in this e-mail, will pass it on.

I am proud to certainly pass it on!

I am not.

Air&Road · #19 11-17-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

He is a great sight comedian but his thoughts on racism are shallow and disingenious.

I agree totally with BC and the other rational responders.

Kip, I am surprised you would post this.

Hmmm... So if a responder doesn't agree with you, then they are irrational by default?

Brian Carlton · #20 11-17-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kip Foss

I was born and raised in the South. I have worked with blacks and Hispanics during my working life in Texas and with all colors all around the world. From what I have experienced esp. in Texas I have to mostly agree with my original post. Many whine about their situation but do little to get themselves out of it. They complain that all the shops in their area of town are owned by Asians, but when I remind them every one of those store was for sale before the Asians bought them and they had the same opportunity to buy they have no answer.

No one forces the black kids to drop out of school. No one forces them to sell drugs or steal cars, or do home invasions. Certainly there is still racism in the US just as there is among the black in Africa bur the blacks have much more opportunity in the US but it seems not many avail themselves.

In the job I just retired from after 18 years only one or two of the 15 or so blacks I worked with were worth the effort. They were all nice people but the certainly were not the first ones on the job site when the work started. Granted there were a few whites there that were not worth shooting but the percentage was a lot less.

Kip,

The OP and the above post do not flow together.

The OP raises questions regarding why it is not acceptable for the majority to attempt to foster "majority power". It's viewed as racist by the minority...........and IMHO...........properly so. I provided the explanation in my previous post.

The above post has nothing to do with the OP and is an analysis of the capabilities of a single race. This analysis may be factual and I certainly cannot dispute it in any way, but it has no bearing on the fact that the majority is simply not permitted to behave in a fashion that promotes the majority without appearing racist.

Sorry, but it's tough to be on top...............

elchivito · #21 11-17-2011, 08:45 PM

Old forwarded email without verifiable attribution. Michael Richards didn't say it, for all practical purposes. It will be justified with something like "well I don't care who said it I agree with it". Why anyone would bother to either forward or post this drivel escapes me.

Brian Carlton · #22 11-17-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

"well I don't care who said it I agree with it".

It's easy to agree with it if you are the moronic majority. It takes an individual with some understanding to realize that the majority cannot, by definition, be oppressed. Therefore, any behavior that even remotely seems to support the majority over any minority will be considered racist.

Sorry, I guess it sucks to be on top...............

MTUpower · #23 11-17-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Minorities are generally oppressed to some degree and have organizations for support and to curb the oppression.

When the majority claims to need a support organization, it tends to ring a bit hollow because, by definition, there is no oppression. Any organization developed by the majority to fuel the majority, is, by definition racist, simply because the majority is not oppressed.

However, nothing in the above absolves the minority from being racist as well. In fact, many minorities are racist to a degree. It works for them because the oppression, or perceived oppression by the majority is all encompassing.

Women are not a minority, but they get specialized treatment as if they were. How does that work out? Your contention is that a minority has never oppressed a majority? Huh?
If you go to a work site that you as a white person does not work at because some minority got the job instead with a lower qualifying score do to EO clauses, how is that "no oppression" to you as an individual? Did you as an individual oppress some black person so that some other minority person deserves that particular job instead of you? Who keeps track of that? It's clear you take the society overview and apply it to individuals, yet in this country we have a "innocent until proven guilty" idea- why is that not applied here? How much does a white person have to give to minorities so that individuals are treated equally without regard to race? The answer no one gives because it's just plain stupid and easily defeated is that when the outcome is equal we won't need the "equalizing" laws anymore. The place that logic and system has taken us is a sewer pit of a society. Name a racial group in the history of man that has worked harder when the government told the rest of society that this group will be given extra benefits just being "X". Never happened, never will, and giving extra benefits will not cause that group to work harder or smarter or "raise" that group.

The only solution is to be color blind and treat no one with favor and let skin color not factor in anything, and if it does it should be roundly punished.

MTUpower · #24 11-17-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

It's easy to agree with it if you are the moronic majority. It takes an individual with some understanding to realize that the majority cannot, by definition, be oppressed. Therefore, any behavior that even remotely seems to support the majority over any minority will be considered racist.

Sorry, I guess it sucks to be on top...............

Asian tend to kick ass over whites in nearly every category- and so do those of Jewish faith- how do those factor in your view? Never heard of a dominate minority?

chilcutt · #25 11-17-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Asian tend to kick ass over whites in nearly every category- and so do those of Jewish faith- how do those factor in your view? Never heard of a dominate minority?

Its all in the Genes.

MTUpower · #26 11-17-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Its all in the Genes.

Said the Homo Sapiens to the Homo Habilis....

tbomachines · #27 11-17-2011, 10:22 PM

Yeah, screw those people who never had any opportunity to improve their lives! Lets keep them statistically marginalized in every way shape and form, that's better for ME, and thats all that matters right?

Brian Carlton · #28 11-17-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Women are not a minority, but they get specialized treatment as if they were. How does that work out? Your contention is that a minority has never oppressed a majority? Huh?

Specialized treatment?

In some segments of society, usually not for profit institutions, women might be given the edge in a direct head to head with a man.

However, I fail to see the "specialized treatment" that you refer to in most for profit organizations. Maybe you'd cite a few...............

My contention is that a minority has never oppressed a majority.

Sorry, I don't understand the .........."Huh?"

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

If you go to a work site that you as a white person does not work at because some minority got the job instead with a lower qualifying score do to EO clauses, how is that "no oppression" to you as an individual? Did you as an individual oppress some black person so that some other minority person deserves that particular job instead of you? Who keeps track of that?

Again, this worksite must be related to the government or related to a non-profit institution. I'm not aware of any for profit worksites that engage in such behavior............but, I'm sure you will enlighten me.

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

The only solution is to be color blind and treat no one with favor and let skin color not factor in anything, and if it does it should be roundly punished.

No disagreement.

Brian Carlton · #29 11-17-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Asian tend to kick ass over whites in nearly every category- and so do those of Jewish faith- how do those factor in your view? Never heard of a dominate minority?

They don't affect the view. A dominant minority remains a minority. If the majority tries to oppress the dominant minority, they'll be considered racist.

Honus · #30 11-17-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

...The only solution is to be color blind and treat no one with favor and let skin color not factor in anything, and if it does it should be roundly punished.

Too late for that. We organized society based in part on skin color for centuries. We will be paying for it for a long time to come.