Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Discussions > Off-Topic Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-18-2011, 06:53 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 7,334
ICE's vs EV's why does the governement think they must pick a winner?

Excellent article with valid points which the current leaders of government ought to espouse.

Click on and read the “Case for Technology Neutral Public Policy”

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-18-2011, 07:31 AM
Posting since Jan 2000
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,649
The answer to your question is simple. The movement toward Socialism and Communism flies in the face of private business. Basically the egoists in Washington DC think that they know much more about what's good for the citizenry than does the citizenry themselves.

I guess it seems quite puzzling to those who feel that it takes the government to develop new products, that people like Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates and Jobs/Wozniak were able to bring massively successful new products and technologies to market without government intervention.

The government has ZERO business backing one product over another. I suppose that after the Supreme Court blazes the way to force you to buy a product, they will make all of us buy one of these cracker boxes.
__________________
2 Thessalonians 3:10
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-18-2011, 07:45 AM
SwampYankee's Avatar
New England Hick
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: CT
Posts: 1,501
Crony capitalism.
__________________

1980 300TD-China Blue/Blue MBTex-2nd Owner, 107K (Alt Blau) OBK #15
'06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-18-2011, 08:19 AM
Posting since Jan 2000
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,649
You mean Crony SOCIALISM!
__________________
2 Thessalonians 3:10
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-18-2011, 08:43 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwampYankee View Post
Crony capitalism.
Definitely. I think there is also something about these magic bullets that the government gets behind - ethanol, for example - that makes them feel as if they are really doing something. That approach also relieves them of the need to actually think about whether their policies are being implemented. This sort of thing happens all over the place. Instead of mandating that coal plants meet certain environmental standards, the government makes them use some specific type of technology. They almost never pick the best technology. How could they?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-18-2011, 10:38 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,500
Mandate that all coal and oil plants be shuttered inside of 20 years and that they be replaced with nuclear plants of commensurate or greater generating capacity. That would be the way to do it. Don't pick a winner in ICE vs EV -- just tax all liquid fossil fuels into the stratosphere and force the market to decide.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-18-2011, 10:48 AM
JollyRoger's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 48
Works for me.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-18-2011, 10:51 AM
JollyRoger's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryBible View Post
You mean Crony SOCIALISM!
Larry, what large socialist program do you think has been passed since like, 1970 or so? Obamacare? Invented by Romney, with no public ownership of health care systems at all. Prescription Drug Benefits? Invented by George Bush, and a cash cow for the drug companies, who wrote the damned law. Name me another one. Neither are socialist systems. What industries have been nationalized? None. Instead, what we have actually seen is greater and greater corporate power concentrated into the hands of fewer people, and they own the government. "Crony Socialism" my ass. Currently, the largest exporting country in the world is not China, it is Germany, along with the rest of the Northern European Democratic Socialist states. Big unions. Socialized medicine. Big environmental regulation. Happier people. Whatever we have, whatever you want to call it, it sucks.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-18-2011, 10:55 AM
MS Fowler's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Littlestown PA ( 6 miles south of Gettysburg)
Posts: 2,258
Quote:
Originally Posted by spdrun View Post
Mandate that all coal and oil plants be shuttered inside of 20 years and that they be replaced with nuclear plants of commensurate or greater generating capacity. That would be the way to do it. Don't pick a winner in ICE vs EV -- just tax all liquid fossil fuels into the stratosphere and force the market to decide.
I AGREE with promoting nuclear power, but....

You willing to pay for the huge increase in the cost of EVERYTHING? Is there an alternative to the trucks that deliver everything at some point along the way?
Or would you grant exemptions for trucks?

Are you also willing to harm people who live in the middle of the country where distances demand fossil-fueled vehicles. You might be OK in the large cities and their suburbs, but what about the great plains states--or don't those people count in your utopia?
__________________
1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MS Fowler View Post
I AGREE with promoting nuclear power, but....

You willing to pay for the huge increase in the cost of EVERYTHING? Is there an alternative to the trucks that deliver everything at some point along the way?
Or would you grant exemptions for trucks?

Are you also willing to harm people who live in the middle of the country where distances demand fossil-fueled vehicles. You might be OK in the large cities and their suburbs, but what about the great plains states--or don't those people count in your utopia?
Other things can be burned -- like hydrogen. Using hydrogen in an ICE is purely an engineering problem at this point.

I would NOT grant exemptions for trucks -- I'd grant low-interest loans to electrify the freight railroad lines and get the long-distance truckies off the roads for good.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-18-2011, 11:02 AM
MS Fowler's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Littlestown PA ( 6 miles south of Gettysburg)
Posts: 2,258
Quote:
Originally Posted by spdrun View Post
Other things can be burned -- like hydrogen. Using hydrogen in an ICE is purely an engineering problem at this point.

I would NOT grant exemptions for trucks -- I'd grant low-interest loans to electrify the freight railroad lines and get the long-distance truckies off the roads for good.
Who would pay to extend rail lines to places not currently serviced?
__________________
1982 300SD " Wotan" ..On the road as of Jan 8, 2007 with Historic Tags
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MS Fowler View Post
Who would pay to extend rail lines to places not currently serviced?
Most places (outside of Alaska and Hawaii) are served within no more than 100 miles. Freight railroads are a replacement for long-distance trucking, not local trucking.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Pooka
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 664
The market place will sort all of this out. I know folks that own hybrids and they say they will never go back because they love the sound they don't make and the instant power of an electric motor. The hybrid works for about 90% of their driving needs.

They also do not like anything to do with Diesels. They don't like filling up with it and they don't like the lag in power they claim to feel. They also don't like changing the oil twice as often as they do in a gasoline car.

Hybrids received a boost from the Feds when they first came out. I don't know of any that are receiving them now but these programs come and go so there may be. I think a few BMW diesels get some sort of Fed rebate or at least they did.

One guy I know is trying to go the extra step and get his Prius retooled so it can be charged by induction. He just thinks it would be wonderful if he could just get in his car, go to work and back, and just forget about ever having to fuel up again. It won't be cheap, but if he's willing to foot the bill.....

I can remember when GM scrapped one of its' V-8 assembly line 'since no one will ever buy a V-8 again'. The customer is king and if the demand is there someone will fill it.

And the whole thing about the Government will demand you buy this or that or the other? Sorry, not everyone drives; everyone does go to the Doctor.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-18-2011, 11:08 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooka View Post
They also do not like anything to do with Diesels. They don't like filling up with it and they don't like the lag in power they claim to feel. They also don't like changing the oil twice as often as they do in a gasoline car.
Diesel adoption would probably be much higher in the American market if Generic Morons hadn't released their execrable diesels in the 80s. The consuming sheeple have a long memory.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-18-2011, 03:19 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 7,334
Quote:
Originally Posted by Honus View Post
Definitely. I think there is also something about these magic bullets that the government gets behind - ethanol, for example - that makes them feel as if they are really doing something. That approach also relieves them of the need to actually think about whether their policies are being implemented. This sort of thing happens all over the place. Instead of mandating that coal plants meet certain environmental standards, the government makes them use some specific type of technology. They almost never pick the best technology. How could they?
I hear that.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page