F250 45-80 acceleration - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

JiveTurkey · #1 12-27-2011, 03:27 PM

Greetings open discussion. I'm linking a video of my Ford. I just finished the break in period after finishing a bit of work on it
Banks Intercooler, intake, exhaust, billet torque converter, and IQ tuner
Egr delete
oil cooler update
clean and machine heads with all new gaskets
ARP head studs
and I used Cat coolant. What wonderful coolant!

I'm very very pleased with the power now. I'll try to take another acceleration video when I have some dry pavement to work with. If youve never heard of the Banks IQ and you have a large diesel truck you need to check it out, they're brilliant!

I'm betting I can pull off a very decent Q mile now.

F250 6.0 45 to 80 acceleration - YouTube

aklim · #2 12-27-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

If youve never heard of the Banks IQ and you have a large diesel truck you need to check it out, they're brilliant!

I'm betting I can pull off a very decent Q mile now.

F250 6.0 45 to 80 acceleration - YouTube

Heard of Banks. Not highly impressed with their tuning. With their stuff in the 7.3 market, it is their way or the highway. I can get more for less going elsewhere. Sure, their intercooler is decent but their tuning leaves a lot to be desired. Wanna change your sticks? Nope. Can't do that. Turbo? As long as it is stock. IIRC, their 6 gun is basically a rheostat to fool the ECM into thinking the oil pressure is lower than what it is. Thanx but no thanx.

JiveTurkey · #3 12-27-2011, 05:46 PM

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Heard of Banks. Not highly impressed with their tuning. With their stuff in the 7.3 market, it is their way or the highway. I can get more for less going elsewhere. Sure, their intercooler is decent but their tuning leaves a lot to be desired. Wanna change your sticks? Nope. Can't do that. Turbo? As long as it is stock. IIRC, their 6 gun is basically a rheostat to fool the ECM into thinking the oil pressure is lower than what it is. Thanx but no thanx.

I'm pretty impressed with Gale Banks' personal history. If I may quote from their website (Banks Power | Gale Banks - Always Looking Toward the Future)

"Fifty years of engineering milestones for Banks Power president and founder Gale Banks began at age 14 with an engine teardown of his mother's '31 Ford Model A that resulted in an increase of more than 40 horsepower. Just two years later, in 1958, Gale was officially in the engine business, first in Lynwood, California, then in San Gabriel. He remains the hands-on president to the 200-employee-strong manufacturing and engineering complex that today occupies 12 acres in the San Gabriel Valley town of Azusa.
The bedrock integrity of Gale Banks is at the very core of Banks Power. Gale's fundamental principles combine old-fashioned business ethics and service with leading technology, elegantly engineered products, superior construction, scientifically proven performance, and reasonable prices.
Banks Power is known far and wide as the premier designer and manufacturer of power-enhancing products for diesel- and gas-powered light trucks, motorhomes, and sport-utility vehicles. Since the 1960s, Gale's futuristic high-performance engines have broken new ground while shattering world records. His marine engines propelled racing boats to national and world championships, and in military mode, his marine engines were chosen to power U.S. Navy SEAL covert-action boats. After decades of racing, Banks Power is still the only company to have set records at Bonneville in both automobile and truck classes.
As a recognized authority, Gale has taught engine design to graduate students at General Motors Institute, covering many subjects: engine architecture, turbochargers (design and application), fuel systems, exhaust systems, marine turbocharging, ignitions and camshafts, intercooling, and more. He currently serves on the SEMA Board of Directors and is an advisor for the Automotive X PRIZE.
Just two years after Gale founded what for decades has been the industry leader in engine performance, he set his first speed record, 189 mph in 1960 at El Mirage dry lake, with a modified 1953 Studebaker. Since then, Gale has been in the winner's circle countless times, setting a litany of marine and automotive performance marks and laying claim to such titles as World's Fastest Passenger Car, World's Fastest Pickup, World's Fastest Motorhome, and, most recently, World's Fastest Diesel Drag Racing Truck.
The Banks history is studded with technological achievements, including Gale's pioneering work in turbocharging marine engines in 1969, the premiere of twin-turbo small-block Chevy engines in 1978, and the invention (and patent) of the Banks OttoMind electronic fuel-management module in 1997."

Here is their information on the Six Gun with the IQ part. I think the IQ touchscreen thing is pretty neat. You'd have to see one working or use one for a while but I think its money well spent.

"Banks iQ is over 5 inches of awesome! Use it for total control of your Six-Gun Tuner. Achieve best gains with a touch of your finger. Set and monitor EGT, coolant temps and a vast array of other engine parameters. Time performance runs. Scan/define/clear vehicle diagnostic codes. Open and read your Microsoft® Office documents. Work with the on-screen keyboard and calculator, watch videos, view pictures, listen to your favorite music, and much more. "

Stoney · #4 12-27-2011, 05:54 PM

A Chasm a Mile Wide!

What you posted was Banks on Banks not someone else on Banks.

There are other options out there...

JiveTurkey · #5 12-27-2011, 05:55 PM

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A Chasm a Mile Wide!

What you posted was Banks on Banks not someone else on Banks.

There are other options out there...

I also posted my extreme satisfaction with their products, which is not advertising.

aklim · #6 12-27-2011, 05:57 PM

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I'm pretty impressed with Gale Banks' personal history.

You do understand that while he has achievements that are not insignificant, all you are buying is the name, right? Also, what he won awards with isn't what he is installing on your truck. I tried this before and so can you. Go ask him about changing your injectors or turbo and see what he says. The answer I got was basically "Nope. This is set to run with the stock stuff.", IOW, my way or the highway. You cannot change much. Oh, you want to change the trans? Nope. You either use the Transvestite Command or not. Can't do a valve body or anything else that I don't agree with.

I can get an F6 from Diesel tuning products for Ford PowerStroke that has flexibility that will knock his socks off in the real world. I can change injectors and turbo. Can Banks do that? I have a drive thru tune. Can me make up one for me? Doubtful.

aklim · #7 12-27-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

Here is their information on the Six Gun with the IQ part. I think the IQ touchscreen thing is pretty neat. You'd have to see one working or use one for a while but I think its money well spent.

"Banks iQ is over 5 inches of awesome! Use it for total control of your Six-Gun Tuner. Achieve best gains with a touch of your finger. Set and monitor EGT, coolant temps and a vast array of other engine parameters. Time performance runs. Scan/define/clear vehicle diagnostic codes. Open and read your Microsoft® Office documents. Work with the on-screen keyboard and calculator, watch videos, view pictures, listen to your favorite music, and much more. "

http://assets.bankspower.com/manuals/761/96454-v8-web.pdf

Read that carefully. Look at what it is on page 7. Basically it is an ICP signal interceptor. Plugs into the ICP and distorts the signal, aka "10K mod" except that it has 6 resistors instead of a 10K one. Fools the ECM into thinking it has 2000 psi when it actually has 2500 (for example) so the ECM commands the ICP solenoid to raise the pressure. Kinda like I turn the distributor to advance the timing. Well, it can be done but it is throughout the curve. OTOH, a TRUE chip program will affect the parts that need to be affected.

aklim · #8 12-27-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JiveTurkey

I also posted my extreme satisfaction with their products, which is not advertising.

You'll discover later on there are better options. Mark my words.

JiveTurkey · #9 12-27-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You do understand that while he has achievements that are not insignificant, all you are buying is the name, right? Also, what he won awards with isn't what he is installing on your truck. I tried this before and so can you. Go ask him about changing your injectors or turbo and see what he says. The answer I got was basically "Nope. This is set to run with the stock stuff.", IOW, my way or the highway. You cannot change much. Oh, you want to change the trans? Nope. You either use the Transvestite Command or not. Can't do a valve body or anything else that I don't agree with.

I can get an F6 from Diesel tuning products for Ford PowerStroke that has flexibility that will knock his socks off in the real world. I can change injectors and turbo. Can Banks do that? I have a drive thru tune. Can me make up one for me? Doubtful.

There is a distinct parallel to be made here with buying OEM Mercedes parts. As long as I have the disposable income, I'm willing to pay more for a product from a company I respect. Do their products sometimes break or fail in some way? Of course! Thats what Murpheys Law is for.

As for the other shortcomings you listed; I don't plan on changing the turbo. I like the VNT that came with the truck. Second, I don't plan on swapping the injectors in some unending pursuit of huge power. I made a decision of where I wanted to be power wise and tried to pick as many parts from the same company as I could. There are probably other permutations of turbos, intakes, exhausts, tuners, and such that will surely make more power but I'm happy where I am.

aklim · #10 12-27-2011, 06:21 PM

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There is a distinct parallel to be made here with buying OEM Mercedes parts. As long as I have the disposable income, I'm willing to pay more for a product from a company I respect. Do their products sometimes break or fail in some way? Of course! Thats what Murpheys Law is for.

As for the other shortcomings you listed; I don't plan on changing the turbo. I like the VNT that came with the truck. Second, I don't plan on swapping the injectors in some unending pursuit of huge power. I made a decision of where I wanted to be power wise and tried to pick as many parts from the same company as I could. There are probably other permutations of turbos, intakes, exhausts, tuners, and such that will surely make more power but I'm happy where I am.

Too bad he doesn't have much respect in many segments of the diesel community other than having a decent product for way too much money.

Yes, while that is true, even more can be had with the stock configuration than with what Banks will give you but if you are happy with paying more for less, I suppose. I can't understand why anyone would pay for a canned tune when custom tunes are available. You can shape the powerband any way you want but not with Banks. You get what he gives you. Do yourself a favor and try someone with a custom tuner and you'll be kicking yourself in the ass like many posters I have seen.

engatwork · #11 12-27-2011, 06:28 PM

JT did you do the work yourself? The engine compartment looks pretty crowded on that application.

JiveTurkey · #12 12-27-2011, 06:31 PM

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JT did you do the work yourself? The engine compartment looks pretty crowded on that application.

I wasn't able to do all of it, and I sure as hell didn't machine and clean the heads. I did what I could and enlisted RPM offroad locally to do parts that terrified me!

Just to do the head studs you have to lift the cab.