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Old 01-23-2012, 11:54 AM
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Fourth Amendment Alive and Well...

The only problem I have with this is that a criminal goes free. But ultimately that is the fault of law enforcement: anyone with a reasonable understanding of fourth amendment law would have told them they needed a warrant.


Supreme Court rules: Warrant needed for GPS tracking

Nightclub owner Antoine Jones was sentenced to life in prison on a drug conspiracy charge. He was linked to a house used to stash money and drugs by a GPS device police installed on his car without a warrant, and they then used it to track his movements.

Jones' conviction was overturned by a federal appeals court in Washington; the USSCT affirmed.

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I'm glad they sprung him -- save the money on his incarceration, let people stupid enough to abuse drugs kill themselves off. "Criminal?" Yeah, but at the same time he was providing products that some people wanted. (I'm assuming hard drugs, not marijuana.)
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I am tired of this war. Can we just declare victory and go home?
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I'm glad they sprung him -- save the money on his incarceration, let people stupid enough to abuse drugs kill themselves off. "Criminal?" Yeah, but at the same time he was providing products that some people wanted. (I'm assuming hard drugs, not marijuana.)

Oh, so it thrills you to see criminals on the street?
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:49 PM
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Drug criminals are on the street because of ****** stupid drug laws.

Like JFK's Dad was a whisky runner. In less than a generation his criminally obtained money became respectable and he was appointed ambassador to Britain.
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Oh, so it thrills you to see criminals on the street?
Does it thrill you to see the Constitution ignored by law enforcement?
The Supremes were unanimous in their decision, which hasn't happened in a very long time.
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[QUOTE=Botnst;2869914]Drug criminals are on the street because of ****** stupid drug laws.


While I agree with "stupid" I'd exchange that with "lucrative". Prohibition is BIG business in this country.
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Drug criminals are on the street because of ****** stupid drug laws.


While I agree with "stupid" I'd exchange that with "lucrative". Prohibition is BIG business in this country.
I have wondered if legislators strongly opposed to drug use/legalization get campaign contributions from drug pushers.
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I have wondered if legislators strongly opposed to drug use/legalization get campaign contributions from drug pushers.
Sounds like they would be donating to Ron Paul like there was no tomorrow. Scratch that! If they make drugs legal, the pushers will be out of business. I guess it would only be the drig users that would send him money. No scratch that too! They use all their money for drugs. Well if they aren't stoned on election day and remember to go to the polls, maybe Paul gets a leg up that way.
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let people stupid enough to abuse drugs kill themselves off.
Can you assure me that is the only case? If so, fair enough. Wife had a patient that suffered a mind wipe. Couldn't even feed himself. Well, of course, somebody had to pay to have him rehabed. Therein lies the problem. I don't care if you drink and drive as long as you and your car is out in the desert. However, once it comes onto the streets, it becomes a whole different story. If you can assure me that he won't rack up a bill when his health fails or you can toss him to the sidewalk or that he would quietly kill himself, I would agree with you that the Feds have no business telling him his business. OTOH, when you finally move out of Mom & Dad's roof and don't take their money, you are free to do as you please BUT NOT A MOMENT SOONER. What you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that he won't take himself out alone. He manages to drag others into the issue and we end up footing the bill. When I trash my liver and have no money, who pays? When I go on a binge and hurt others, who pays? When you can isolate the idiot himself, I agree that it is nobody's business but his. Till then, your stupidity affects me.
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Can you assure me that is the only case? If so, fair enough. Wife had a patient that suffered a mind wipe. Couldn't even feed himself. Well, of course, somebody had to pay to have him rehabed.
And what are the chances of a "mind wipe" happening from hard drugs, as opposed to someone just killing themselves?
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And what are the chances of a "mind wipe" happening from hard drugs, as opposed to someone just killing themselves?
Mind wipe or killing themselves, it would not be a contest. However are those the only two options there are out there or just 2 you want to consider? What about future health problems? What about them getting into a drug fueled mood and doing something stupid? Have you considered that yet? Alcohol is legal so are you saying that there are no alcohol problems and the alcoholic will just kill himself by binge drinking? If so, fair enough.

Let me ask you this. If you tracked 10000 druggies, what are the chances they will be good enough to just kill themselves as opposed to doing something that costs the rest of society? I'd say it is more likely that they end up costing us all more
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Mind wipe or killing themselves, it would not be a contest. However are those the only two options there are out there or just 2 you want to consider? What about future health problems? What about them getting into a drug fueled mood and doing something stupid? Have you considered that yet? Alcohol is legal so are you saying that there are no alcohol problems and the alcoholic will just kill himself by binge drinking? If so, fair enough.
If someone is a hazard to themselves or others, there are options for involuntary commitment and treatment, with or without substances being involved. If certain drugs become legal, this isn't likely to change, so there will still be a path to getting people who abuse the drugs and represent a danger "off the street."

Future health problems? Possibly, but one study stated that heavy smokers actually cost society LESS, since they tend to die before they run into typical old-age problems.
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Oh, so it thrills you to see criminals on the street?
So, it thrills you to see innocent men in jail?
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Sounds like they would be donating to Ron Paul like there was no tomorrow. Scratch that! If they make drugs legal, the pushers will be out of business. I guess it would only be the drig users that would send him money. No scratch that too! They use all their money for drugs. Well if they aren't stoned on election day and remember to go to the polls, maybe Paul gets a leg up that way.
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