Oh for the good old days a MMGW. Now solar activity is going low--a fact left out of most MMGW models--and "experts" now predict the Thames will freeze.

Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again) | Mail Online

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Well, at least Al Gore made his money...

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Let me guess. You didn't read past the first two paragraphs. Are you betting on the 92% chance of the Dalton minimum, or the less likely - but still possible - chance of the Maunder minimum and the associated Thames-freezeover? Or is the current La Nina cycle the dominant factor?

The overall article is pretty good. You've got about a half dozen scientists from respective backgrounds with different theories and different levels of supporting data. CO2 may be a dominant factor, or solar activity, or oceanic affects. I'll put my money on the open-minded Norwegian.

Yep.

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Global Warming... Another one of those excellently misleading handles, applied by the politicos who have the most to lose, that make it so much easier to oversimplify and disparage that which you do not understand.

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So it'll be warmer or cooler or the same in a few years or in many many years. Thanks for the heads up

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Now that's a Battle to choose, props to someone ELSE.

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So for those who think global warming is some myth, do you then think it is "normal" that humans are slowly taking every scrap of carbon based fuels they can dig our suck out of the earth and burning them into CO2? Pretty sure that wouldn't be happening if we were not here. Humans generate a LOT of emissions every year, truly enough to affect the earth's climate and atmospheric composition. When you mess around with giant systems that you cannot "fix", then the consequences if it goes out of balance may not be so pleasant.

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Global warming is a mythological name given to real and measurable climate change which is demonstrably caused by the human . Although a general warming of the earth is one of the symptoms, it is not equatable to every day is hotter than the one before, as I'm sure you know... However, use of that term allows the people and corporations who benefit the most from the wanton abuse of our ecosystem to stand on the soap box every time it snows and scream "what global warming???" idiots who know they will be dead before it can kill them, and seemingly give not a rat's as5 about those that will follow.

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According to the article, there has been no warming for 17 years.
Who is open to the facts, and who has closed their minds?

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It runs in cycles. In the 70's everyone was afraid of global cooling, its coming up next just give it a few years.

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Considering these guys can't even forecast with any certainty if it's going to rain tomorrow, much less what's going to happen 50 years from now.

Let's see if I've got this straight - their computer models say one thing should be happening, but real world data is showing something else - but they say they're still standing by their computer models? - back when I was taught about the Scientific Method in the last century, when you came up with a theory or model, you compared it to real world data, and if the two disagreed, it meant that your theory/model was wrong and you needed to go back to the drawing board, NOT that the real world data was wrong.

Back several years ago, I was firmly in the camp that gave credence to those that said man-made CO2 emissions were a contributing factor to climate change. But over the years as I've taken in data and input from various sources, I've moved back to the middle of the spectrum - as in IMHO none of these guys know WTH is actually going to happen - and we've still got a long way to go in our understanding of how this planet and the climate actually work, before we could even begin to venture a guess what effect man-made emissions will actually have.

40 years ago, they were calling for a new ice age. Then it changed to we were going to have a planetwide tropical heat wave. Now we're going back to calling for another ice age. Like I just said above.....

I've seen data that shows when man-made CO2 emissions are compared to the TOTAL naturally occurring CO2 cycle for the planet - biomass, microbes, oceans, plants, animals, volcanoes, etc, etc - our emissions aren't even close to a full percentage point, not even a bump on the graph.

Last year I saw an article that echoed the same predictions as the quoted link, supposedly NASA had predicted cooler temps for at least the next two decades based on data they had gathered - milder winters and cooler summers.

Another piece I came across concerned a British forecaster who had received some type of award or recognition for the accuracy of his long range forecasts over several decades. The primary data he based his long range forecasts on were sun cycles and solar activity.

Yet another made the contention that the relationship between global temps and CO2 levels were not as presented in the MMGW models - that in actuality, CO2 levels followed global temps, and lagged behind in response by a significant number of years, as the deeper part of the oceans heated or cooled and affected the amount of CO2 they released back to the atmosphere - which would seem to back up the contention of the one researcher in this article, that most climatologists hadn't yet come to realize just how important an effect the oceans have on climate.

The only thing I know for certain is, that a lot of people in the scientific, political, and financial communities have a lot of money, prestige, and power tied up in backing one side or the other of this argument, often for their own particular agendas - and it's best to take anything said by either side with a grain of salt.

IMHO, the debate is far from over - it's just getting started.

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